Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 4

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Archive 1 (October 2005 → E³) Archive 2 (24th May → 31st May 2006) Archive 3 (31st May → 6th June 2006)

Question regarding the Stages

If I should've sent this to one of the archive pages, please move it there and leave a message here telling me.

As you already know, the castle stage has Daein crests in it, or at least something pretty darn close (Yes I've looked at them up close, and the differences are there). Anyways, the next Fire Emblem game may be a direct sequel to Path of Radiance. Would a reference to the new game help the article any, or just add speculation(which nobody wants)? --DcPimp 22:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The signs are DIFFERENT. Why would Daien get a new crest? Not related doesnt belong. Tired cant talk in anything but simple sentences.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Just checking. And I already said I know the crests are different. Sheesh.... --DcPimp 01:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If anything, it's probably the lost Akaneia stage that was planned for Melee, from Fire Emblem 1/3. Everyone swears it has to be from one of the new/unreleased games but never take the time to think that it might possibly correspond to the existing characters in SSB like most of the other stages.--Claude 03:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

More Characters? GO to http://aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=3485 and check that out! Add them into the article! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cocopopz2005 (talk • contribs) .

Apparently, they got that information from a forum, so chances right now are slim.(65.115.123.226 15:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

Im pretty sure Akenia(sp) is from the first game.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Three new characters confirmed?

According to LiveWii, a French gaming site with an undeniably slick name, the director of Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Wii revealed on Japanese radio, of all places, that there will be three more new characters for the game - Cel-Shaded Link, Ridley and Bowser Jr... Further, it is apparent that the Ice Climbers, Mr Game & Watch and Young Link will disappear from the series [1]

The site didn't have pictures from the game of the characters, only an amalgam of seperate character art.

Edit: sorry - didn't see their previous mention in talk.

This makes the second time this has come up. I recently found a site (can't remember the name) doing a Google search that claimed the exact same thing. Either this is a really good hoax, or there is some truth in it. --DcPimp 12:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Just wait until a more reliable site (1Up, IGN, etc) reports it as true. However, if any of them say "This rumor has been circulating...", then just wait. JQF 14:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Right now, it's not true. Most people say that the site is not accurate. For now, it's more of a rumor than truth.(65.115.123.226 15:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

1up justed posted that this is indeed true. Sry to all of you non-believers. It is true. Deal with it!

Yes, its true... I'm bummed out about Young Link, Mr. Watch and the ice climbers, though... Bly1993 20:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think Wii should add anything until we get it from a reliable source, as I've said before, I'd rather be slow on the news than misleading. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem- someone already added it. I agree that nothing should be there until it's announced offically on the English Smash Dojo page- but every time I go to edit that section, the new character stuff doesn't appear (just the "don't add any new characters" warning). What's up wih that?--DainichiJess 20:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Tis been removed. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm personally of the persuasion that 1Up bought into a rumor that's been flying around for a week or so, and that this info is false. One thing that REALLY bugs me about the rumor is that they say that they're axing Young Link, and then turning right around and saying that they're including Wind Waker Link, as though these are mystically separate entities or something (well, okay, yes, I'm aware that OoT's Link and WW's Link aren't the same, but you know what I mean). smashbros.com updates every Wednesday evening (Thursday, technically, but it's still Wednesday in my time zone) so let's see what, if anything, gets reported tonight. Though even if this rumor is true, I doubt that tonight's update will be Ridley, Jr., or WW. --HeroicJay 20:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, let's wait for Dojo to confirm it. Man, I'm torn on this one. I really want to see Ridley, WW Link, and Koopa Kid, but I'll miss G&W, Young Link, and the Ice Cli-...no wait...KILL THE ICE CLIMBERS!!! Dang I hate them. :P RememberMe? 21:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the same exact same rumour over a week ago (so before the last update). That alone makes me have a very, very, very hard time believing this. If the update tonight doesn't say anything, then this rumour should be officially fake. 199.126.137.209 21:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Xubelox 22:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It sounds pretty fake to me. But I still want them. THIS IS SO DANG CONFUSING!!! O_o RememberMe? 22:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, Video Game News Sites aren't always so sure of the information they put up. It might have been a slow news day for all we know. Only time will tell. InvaderMB 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I 'm getting really tired of the whole thing. The more people try to confrim it, the happier I get (it gets my hopes up for Ridley), but then someone comes and says its fake and shatters my dreams. I say if someone, anyone, claims it and doesn't have a link to the Dojo or Nintendo or something, we just delete it. I mean this rumor. We still might want to look into new rumors as they appear. --DcPimp 01:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I wouldnt doubt Ridley or Ridley Jr. being in it since he was supposed to be in Melee.(Ive read it and he was in the Melee trailer. But this isnt a forum.Nimrod1234 22:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability. Until it meets that, it is NOT eligible for inclusion. No edit is unless it meets that, it's one of the Wikipedia's main policies. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well the site wasn't updated. Therefore, I think this info should be considered false. Xubelox 05:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm prety sure it was made up, then the guy admitted to it later. -- Kamek24 22:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they would kick out the Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch for Cel-Shaded Link or Ridley. They would also have to shrink Ridley down a lot. --Rat235478683

*sirens* Back away from the non-existant forum! Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I may be new to talk pages, but the edits that said "Chaos from Glitch City" were from me (I truly am Chaos from the Glitch City website, currently down, don't insult me, since on that site, I'm a mod.) To speak in the topic: I don't get why they would get rid of the Ice Climbers and Mr G & W, and not get rid of Pichu or Dr. Mario, or replace Y. Link with Wind Waker Link; it's just not right! Ridley, I could see, because they can shrink him like Bowser, and weaken him like Mewtwo. Bowser Jr., I don't know why they need a 3rd Bowser (Counting Giga), but probably he could transform into Shadow Mario, but then he would be a semiclone of two people, especially a 2nd one of Mario (the other being Luigi). (Missingno. 22:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry! You're a mod? :O Well then please go on gibbering against policy instead of spilling it over your forum. ; D Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

And it can only be termed laughable that you claimed to "speak in the topic", and then drone on about the game? :P Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Since ur new to " talk pages " Ill tell u that its not about talking its about Disscusion over the article and how to improve it or what needs to be done. Bit on a side side note: Giga Bowser wasnt an extra Bowser since he wasnt playable. And they " Might " be replacing Young lInk with WW Link not Link. Which I have acctuially thought might happen before Brawl was even annouced. Nimrod1234 00:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

That's helping, isn't it. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, even though Giga wasn't playable, he still counts as a clone. And Highway, I felt insulted about what you said. (Missingno. 23:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

I have no idea what you're going on about. If you're discussing how sane the character changes would be, then the article talk page is not the place to do it. If you were talking about the verifiability of those claims, as they pertain to the actual article that this talk page is about, then all would be good and nonconfusing. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk |

You're insulted? Oh dear, I'm so sorry! ¬_¬ Everything about Wikipedia is to do with the writing, not how powerful a mod you are on at a forum. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, I think this subject should be left alone cause there is no point furthering it unless something more about it comes up.Nimrod1234 14:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. And if you others would look at the first message I wrote, you would see that I wasn't "droning on about the game" (Ahem, *coughcoughhighwaycoughcough*, but talking about how the 3 characters on this topic would be. (Missingno. 01:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

Which isn't on topic. ¬_¬ Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 06:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Possible characters

That section suddenly sprang up. Isn't it the type of section that's supposed to be discouraged? If so, should it be deleted? Xubelox 23:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it is. I've given it the chop. --Sparky Lurkdragon 00:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this isn't the kind of topic we were aiming for. But you've got to admit, it will be very difficult to not talk and discuss rumors somewhat. Or was therea section in the article about it that someone added? I've been out most of the day and haven't got to look into this for a few hours. --DcPimp 01:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

There was a section in the article, yeah. --Sparky Lurkdragon 01:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Just checking. By the way, this rumor thing has gotten WAY out of hand. Even people who swear by Nintendo's word are buying into it. If this keeps up, I'm either gonna kick someone's butt or just join the bandwagon. WHY DOES EVERYBODY TORMENT ME WITH RIDLEY? --DcPimp 02:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

They're buying into second (or third, fourth, etc.) hand knowledge from someone who said they heard it on the radio. That does not meet WP:V in even the most broad sense of it. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Whats wrong with that? Why can't we create a list of speculated characters? We can say, "These are just speculations from past games and are endorsed in no way by Nintendo, Game Freak, or any of it's affiliates." I mean, the same characters come up in the same game! About 50-60% of the characters in SSBM were from SSB N64! Skilanky64 21:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia isn't a place for speculation. Although just about everybody from Super Smash Bros. appeared in Super Smash Bros. Melee, that doesn't necessarily mean that characters from Melee will appear in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 21:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Such a thing would be against policy, and original research, also against policy. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I said that it would violate WP:V, arguably the most important policy on the Wikipedia, and you don't know what's wrong with it? :P -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 00:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I heard from a friend of mine that Sonic The Hedgehog has been confirmed to be in SSBB, I do not know if it's true though, if somebody could find out if it's true or not, just throw it in the article.--65.145.62.91 02:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

More nonsense, likely pulled from some odd fan forum. No confirmation has been made on any characters besides those on the official Smash Bros. website. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Can we make an article about characters that are just a possibility? -- Rat235478683

List of speculative, stupid, ridiculous third party characters that won't appear in Super Smash Bros. Brawl? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

All the blank spaces on the Dojo website are filled, if it matters User:YdoUask

Problem with a Bot

I just went and deleted the section regarding the "Confirmed Three"(yeah right), because some Bot editor reverted the page. I didn't think Bots would give in to unconfirmed messages. Does anyone else find this strange? --DcPimp 02:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

What bot? Put a comment on its talk page to inform the creators of its malfunction, incase it's not intentionally being malicious. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That's not what happened, assuming you're referring to what it looks like. The bot simply removed someone adding some random nonsense to the page, probably at about the same time you tried to remove the rumor. --HeroicJay 03:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Sorry, its just the whole Bot concept floors me. I can barely believe that they are not actual users sometimes. --DcPimp 12:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Zelda?

Right... more speculation removed, it had more 1up articles as sources. Should we have a list of reliable sources that we can trust to only publish the truth? When exactly does SSBD update? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Normally on Thursdays (Wednesday evenings in America). You'll note the lack of update today? Yeah... the Japanese site didn't get much of anything better this week. So I guess it'll update whenever it updates. And I think the "Zelda" thing was a misunderstanding of "Wind Waker Link". --HeroicJay 18:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

And "Tera"? ; ) Should we only source things from the Dojo site, IGN and Gamespot? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Tetra? --HeroicJay 18:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sarcasm is a dead art... Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo. Don't forget sourcing things from Nintendo. --DcPimp 23:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Dojo is Nintendo.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 13:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that is right, isn't it? Sorry. --DcPimp 14:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

WiiConnect24 adding characters - After Release?

Ok, well, with the new WiiConnect24, wouldn't it be possible to add characters after the realease of Brawl? I am not adding anything about it to the article yet, but I thpught it would be interesting to add something about it here... ~Seros

I heard a rumor about that. But that's exactly what it is, a rumor. The Wii and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are so shrouded in mystery that there are barely any fine details to put in. Just leave it as a rumor for now, and we'll see by Thanksgiving.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 21:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Aye aye. Wasn't planing on adding it til Sakurai confirmed it would be used... ~Seros

Who knows? Man, that would be cool, though. A NEW CHARACTER EVERY 3 DAYS!

3 new characters announced and 3 not returning

http://smashbros.planets.gamespy.com/

It's the second update, not sure if it's reliable though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Takuthehedgehog (talk • contribs) .

Hmm. I'd still prefer to be cautious and wait until it's on the Dojo, personally.

Also, please remember to sign your comments. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 00:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a rumor that, unfortunately, a lot of sites are taking seriously. I guess they'd rather be wrong than be the last to note it. I have seen no evidence at all that this is real, and given the awkwardness of it (they're dropping Young Link and... adding... Young... Link?) I suspect it's false. --HeroicJay 00:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If this was legit, it would be on the official site, which has passed the point in which it usually updates (thursday), and this rumour has actually been around for over 2 weeks. It's completely fake.

Xubelox 05:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I concur. I also found that list of huge characters someone posted that's in the archive, the director had taken some suggestions out of the japanese entries which made him laugh. Not much progress then.. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Why are people still offering this rumor up like no one's heard it yet? The only confirmation will come from Nintendo.--Claude 08:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It's fake, it was started on some forum. And damn glad I am too - removing the Ice Climbers and Game and Watch? Adding Bowser Junior? Blegh. LupusCanis 09:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? If it was started on some forum, perhaps we should make note of this in the article - I've certainly heard enough about it that it's starting to feel like Melee's Sonic and Tails rumor. --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Only even more stupid, they haven't even devised a way to unlock them. ; ) I think we should just delete any more "OMG! LINK AND RIDLEY!!!" topics without reliable sources. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I read on some forum a while back that said something to the effect of somebody is now claiming their best friend dared them to start that rumor. I don't know the whole dare part is true, but the fact someone is taking credit for starting it pretty much confirms that this is a bunch of bull(like we had any doubts as of today...). --DcPimp 01:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I heard that some gamesite thought it was real because it came from a Nintendo forum (don't know if it was Nintendo forun, N-Insider, or a Smashbros forum), that's where the rumor started according to some people. (65.115.123.226 16:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

Umm, a forum is a forum. It doesn't matter what forum the rumour orginiated on. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 17:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

We should start our own rumour, Shigeru Miyamoto and Reggie Fils-Aime unlockable characters! ; ) Seriously, we need to quit these discussions. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 17:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, they're getting a bit tiresome. (Though honestly, playing as Miyamoto would be awesome.) -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 17:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Character range: 30 to 40

Masahiro Sakurai has said that the character roster size will be within the range of 30 to 40 characters. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 08:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Can you provide your source, please? --Sparky Lurkdragon 08:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I think I saw a similar statement on the Nintendo website, both in a forum and on a link to the Dojo. Thanks to the Dojo link, I'm sure that information is pretty valid. --DcPimp 13:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem is that the blog is only in the Japanese language. It was updated, but the blog section which is only in the Japanese version of the site. (65.115.123.226 17:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC))

I checked toukoken and didn't see anything like this on it, or anywhere else on the site.

I remember a guy on the GameFAQs message boards gave a pretty reasonable estimate of about 51. That may sound completely ludicrous, but think about it. Let's say they use all 26 of the characters in Melee, then add the five new ones, making it 31. Then they'll probably reveal a few more along the way, boosting it up to about 36. Then there's the Tokyo Game Show. That will probably reveal quite a few more, maybe 10. This gives us 46. They'll also probably keep about five secret, which gives us around 51. Obviously this is in no way confirmed, but it seems to make reasonable sense. RememberMe? 19:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay people, do you see the giant sign at the top of the page? Do you? ^_^ Could you actually absorb that information? ; ) Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Let's not be too smart-alecy... Perhaps the giant sign should be altered so that it says the following after what's on there: Any repeated attempt to turn this into a forum will result in short-but-painful blocks to the instigator. Please consider reserving speulation for the GameFAQS (link here) message board, and discuss only verified information here. Basically, keeping this talk-page away from the forum-style for the next potentially many months until the game's release is looking like a frustrating nightmare that won't end, so we should focus on optimizing the sign's message to intimidate speculators. Erik the Appreciator 01:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there an off-topic warning for user talk pages? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 06:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

None that I'm aware of... Erik the Appreciator 18:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

FOX(HOUND)

I've seen editors shooting this around for a while. Take the following sentence, from Section 1: Comfirmed Characters, under Solid Snake:

His symbol is that of Hideo Kojima's new development team, Kojima Productions, which was taken from the fictional organization FOX in the Metal Gear Solid series.

Some people put down "FOX," but others believe it's "FOXHOUND." Could someone with clear knowledge of Metal Gear Solid please put this to rest?--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 20:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

At first I thought it was FOXHOUND but now im think its FOX Nimrod1234 20:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It is indeed FOXHOUND. -- Steel 22:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

FOXHOUND. (SPOILERS AHEAD!) FOX is what Big Boss was in. Solid Snake was cloned from Big Boss. -- User:Takuthehedgehog 16:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It's true that Solid Snake was a member of FOXHOUND. However, I am 100% positive that that isn't the FOXHOUND logo. Both of the FOXHOUND logos can be viewed on the FOXHOUND entry; as you can see, Snake's Smash Bros. logo is not present. While it doesn't make logical sense that Solid Snake would have the FOX logo, as he was never in that unit, it is indeed the FOX logo (as well as the Kojima Productions logo). My guess on why they chose this logo: it's closer to the other SSB character logos, since it's only a silhouette. -- ShadowRegulus 00:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Snakes logo is the FOX symbol. FOXHOUND's symbol is a fox with a knife in it's mouth looking forward.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 13:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Dairantou Smash Bros. X?

I have seen many sites use the suffix "X" instead of/in addition to "Brawl". Is this the new official name, or is it just the Japanese name (similar to how Melee was "Deluxe" and "Nintendo All-Star!" for the original)? The S 02:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly the Japanese title. Why would they change the English title into something Japanese?--Claude 03:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

That's the Japanese title for sure. It was mentioned in some interview or such; it's probably mentioned on the long thing on the Dojo. Brawl is used as the English title seemingly as a continuation from "Melee". -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

About using Japanese in an English title, ask Atari, who has used Japanese in several Dragon Ball Z titles, where there was no Japanese in the Japanese title (other than English words transliterated to Japanese, such as "Doragon Boru") The S 04:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Except this isn't Atari or Dragonball Z.--Claude 06:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots

I would like to see more screenshots in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.66.135.170 (talk • contribs)

The screenshots we have now are fine.Sukecchi 16:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

If you want more screenshots, then you should create an account, and upload some. This is an open wiki and anyone can edit and improve it. Watch out for copyrights, though. -- Steel 16:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

We don't need anymore screenshots though. The ones we have now are the result of an image clean-up. The whole reason we did the clean-up was because we had too many. The ones we have now show the most important things in the trailer.Sukecchi 16:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

sorry, I just thought... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.66.135.170 (talk • contribs) .

Don't worry about that. It was a good start you discussed before uploading, most people just upload and then get their additions reverted. -- ReyBrujo 01:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Protection

Any particular reason this was locked? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

The reason given by AmiDaniel was "Vandalism from multiple anons", see the page history. -- Steel 10:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It's currently s-protected to deal with vandalism, of which this article has been getting quite a bit. We tried unprotection for about a week, but the vandalism became unmanagable again. AmiDaniel (talk) 10:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's never been protected... Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It was semi protected on the 21st May by the looks of it. -- Steel 15:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, not to sound like User:Jimbo Wales on George W. Bush, but maybe this page should be full-protected all the time, being dropped of protection whenever there's a good update from that one Smash bros. site, and then re-protected afterwards, and we keep doing this until the release of the game in Japan. Yes, this is slightly sarcastic, but what can I say? I'm Erik the Appreciator 18:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The vandalism wasn't as even as bad as Pokémon, and it's not even protected anymore! I think the newbs need to earn their vandal whacking sticks one way or the other. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I get a kick out of the Pokemon vandalism.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 16:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Aye. I just think that it should continue to be semi-protected from IP addresses and what not (as apparent from the tag at the top of the article) from here on out until the physical game is actually out in Japan. People can speculate forever if the game takes forever to make, so semi-protection seems ideal because, realistically speaking, any of the updates from the director at his site are the only real information we'll be getting, and that can be handled by most of the rest of us users. Erik the Appreciator 18:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

But how can we protect any page that may be susceptible to vandalism and then question potential syops about a lack of vandal fighting? "Their isn't any". I think Jimbo has over stepped the line here, reversion is better than prevention is some circumstances. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

And us "users" can have serious problems, I wrote a paragraph on Kirby about a week ago, and it dropped from near on "fantastic prose" to that of a 11 year old fan guide. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Eh, okay, it's your loss. But good luck with keeping up the sanity while keeping out the speculative fancruft.Erik the Appreciator 18:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Bear in mind semi protection shouldn't be used as a pre-emptive measure against vandalism, nor should it be used to prevent edits from IPs either, per policy. -- Steel 18:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay. In that case, I'll consider helping out with the vandalism removal patrol at this particular article over the next months. Erik the Appreciator 18:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Fictional Information

How come the stages and items section have a header that claims there is fictional information in the articles? I read through both of them and could not find any fictional claims. Tbkgm79 22:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It says that contain unverified information, which is true. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It also says it may contain original research, which it doesn't. If the section itself say that they something it is mentioning has not been confirmed, shouldn't that negate the need for the header? Tbkgm79 22:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It is speculative. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 06:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Nihongo

Before I get into a potential edit war over this, should we have the Japanese names of the characters at the start of the character sections? I think it looks better, the characters are Japanese anyway. Thoughts? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that would make it look more official to visitors. And it'd look neat Supermariorobot 20:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I've put it back in (it got removed) but I didn't want to start a flame war. (And we aren't official ;) Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it rather redundant when the nihongo is already on their own articles? ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 21:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Well they have information here, the name is pretty important. And we need as much enclyopedic style as we can get, I wrote good prose a couple of weeks ago and it's been trashed. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

No More Updates For Dojo

The following is a quote from the bottom of the english Super Smadh Bros Dojo website, I'm sorry to say that I have to temporarily stop updating this website as of June, 2006. - - When Super Smash Bros. Brawl is completed sometime in 2007, I plan to post more information for you. For right now, though, I need to focus on the development of the actual game. - Of course, if anything newsworthy comes up, I may decide to post some special notices... - - Meanwhile, though, I'll just do my best to complete the game. - - Masahiro Sakurai .

Yeah it's a bummer.

(Please Don't Delete This.)

This won't be deleted, I'm sure... not if we look at Sakurai's message and realize the important stuff relative to the article: That a continuing stream of information about the game to the public, if that stream has not been wholly terminated, will likely be very sporadic, meaning that the article won't be getting any good new stuff en masse for a long while now. It looks like all the spotty information we have currently will be all the information we will have until around the game's Japanese launch, when the article can actually be fully written and the speculation ends. Not to sound dismal, but this amounts to having simply no need to come to the article in hopes of adding solid information, leaving only the speculation that's been plaguing the talk-page open and perhaps some issues of page layout. All we can do is continue to prevent the speculation and hope surprise updates do come from the Dojo site. *now ducking for cover* Erik the Appreciator 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I posted it earlier, and people were just shouting, "OH My GUD!!!!1!!!!!!!" so I trashed it. Regards, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 06:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

IZ J00 F0r ReeLZ HighwayCello!!!@!!1! (But seriously, I know I just re posted it.). Asparagus,Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 00:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Should we add the 3 characters for the time being?

Should we add the 3 characters for the time being? Dojo will not be updated until the game is released, and 2 websites have the information. Bly1993 13:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

No. - Zero1328 _Talk? 13:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The rumours aren't truthful. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 14:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Wikipedia is not a place for silly rumors.--DarkHero 15:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid these guys're right; there's tons of message boards elsewhere on the internet, GameFAQS in particular (now there's a hot spot for discussion!), and Wikipedia is all about the tangible information about games in development, regardless of whether there's a lot of it available or not. I think I know how to tone down the number of attempts to add unconfirmed information: On both the main page and this talk page (the giant sign in particular) we post easily noticeable links to the big forums on sites like GameFAQS and the Smash sites with their forums. Thoughts? Erik the Appreciator 18:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

As if everybody else hadn't said it enough, Dojo is the only official, completely verifiable source. And Erik the Appreciator, why exactly would we link to forums? I think the big notice that HighwayCello put at the top should be good enough. I wouldn't suggest putting such a notice on the article page, but maybe in hidden text that a misguided editor could see. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your suggestion.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 19:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually, maybe the problem I've been talking about isn't as strong as I thought it was. What I said was more of a "last-resort" suggestion stating that if you ever got sick and tired of people's attempts to post speculation on both the article and this talk page (and I've seen cases where editors post loudly that certain edits must NOT be made, but it only compels troublemakers to make just those edits), you could post links to forums as a bit of a back-up measure to prevent this page from becoming a forum. But I'd leave decisions like that up to everyone else; I'm just a suggester. And call me Erik. ^_^ Erik the Appreciator 19:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

We shouldn't unload these newbs onto other sites, (like it would work ¬_¬) we should give them a re-assuring pep talk about off-topicness, delete the spam and order a block for recurring editors. Deal with the problem, don't ship it out. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Erik the Appreciator 01:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Use of Standard Controller

I read here that the new game will still be used with a conventional controller to not alienate older players. I'm not that good with adding reverences so here's the link. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/super-smash-bros-brawl-revealed-for-wii-featuring-solid-snake/ --Shaliron 06:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Done JQF 14:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Poll Results?

You know when they had asked fans to fill the roster? The poll has ended & mabey we should have someone translate that, IF Nintendo has released the information.--DarkHero 17:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I would be valid to add, but has Nintendo released the info? Would they even before the game is released? JQF 17:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

There's an idea. ¬_¬ Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 17:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Was that sarcastic.(-_-)--DarkHero 19:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Uncontrollably so. ;) Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

(x_x)--DarkHero 19:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)