Talk:Calvin Harris

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In the past I add at this site that he has a relationship, which is true. Although this, it was deleted. Can anyone say why it was deleted?

Real Name

Calvin Harris is a stage name, his real name is Adam Wiles. Should the article name be changed to adam wiles and then calvin harris link to that? GarethParker 20:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Articles are generaly under commonly known names (so stage names) not birth names. See Elton John or should I say Reginald Kenneth Dwight, or Engelbert Humperdinck or should I say Arnold George Dorsey. However if you can find a reference (on the web) for his real name then add this to the article with the reference using Template:cite web. Chappy • T • C • 20:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The Only Reference I can find on the web to his "real name" being "Adam Wiles" is on some chat rooms where people that claim to have been at school with him also claim that they know him better as "Adam Wiles". No Credible Sources can be found via A Google Search. Chappy • T • C • 15:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

His real name IS Adam Wiles. Just because Google doesn't tell you that does that mean it's not true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.209.23 (talk • contribs) 00:34 24 June 2007

It doesn't mean its false but without proof it could be a rumour and rumours or possible rumours can't be added here as fact. Chappy ^T_C 13:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I also know his name to be Adam Wiles as most 18+ residents of dumfries will be able to tell you as many of my friends have worked with him and others have went to school with him, Im pretty sure theres isn't and "Proof" of this unless you post his birth certificate up here or something, but we could still put it there and put a citation needed tag beside it or something.Gavinvin (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

A certain "Adam Wiles" is credited on X (Kylie Minogue album), and someone has linked his name to this page, with the result that it's the #1 Google result for "Adam Wiles". However, I can't see any grounds for including it - Wikipedia is supposed to work on the basis of published sources. Billwilson5060 (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

There is a partial revalation here: [1] Billwilson5060 (talk) 11:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The liner notes to the US release of the Dragonette album Galore contains a cover of his song "The Girls". It's credited to "Adam Wiles p/k/a/ Calvin Harris." VonGenderless (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

His name is Adam you faggots, I asked him the other night and with a sigh he responded "Adam"

Google now does note his "real" name. I've added this to the article, with the relevant references. Feel free to remove if anyone's not convinced. captain_belly —Preceding undated comment added 22:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC).

Genre

Electro??? - I don't think so, where's the robots?

It's most definately electroclash, especially with the 80's inspired synths. --Reubot 13:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

You pretentious twat. It's electroclash / urban assault / goa electronic speedgarage / urban electro-funk. Idiot. (Let's just call it ELECTRO, okay?) 82.163.38.26 09:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Nationality

Calvin Harris is Scottish. You can make all the usual arguments about his passport saying "British", but referring to him as such on here is simply inconsistent with the rest of wikipedia. So unless you are willing to go around the pages of every English singer and change them to British singers, leave the article alone and quit pushing your own agendas. He is a Scotsman whether you like it or not. 82.40.19.192 22:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Your passport statement proves the point. It is a general consensus on WikiProject Music that British artists should have the nationality of British, as it's what is stated on their passport. You may hate the idea of Britain be fiercely pro Scottish and want Scotland to be a completely separate however you can't change international politics. Chappy ^T_C 09:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Unless every English artist is changed to British, Calvin Harris should be referred to as Scottish in the interest of consistency. I do not hate the idea of Britain. I hate the idea of people being stripped of their identity. Citizenship is not the same as one's ethnicity or their nationality. I am a British citizen, but I am Scottish. By referring to Harris as Scottish the fact that he is British is inferred. 82.40.19.192 23:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Your talk page shows you have a history of deliberately altering Scottish born people's nationality to Scottish from British. From your talk history you seem to be offended by the fact that people identify British people as English when in fact they don't. This goes to prove my point that you dislike the idea of people having a British nationality. Just because not all articles have the nationality as British does not mean we should change all to Scottish, English or Welsh. Wikipedia is an on-going project intent providing the facts trying to standardise articles as other encyclopaedias do. To do this WikiProjects are set up to define these standards which are agreed on by all members of the project. This means that whenever a member comes across a page which doesn't conform to these standards is found then they are altered to conform with these standards. The relevant projects for this article are WikiProject Music and WikiProject Biography which use the passport nationality as the nationality therefore Calvin's nationality is British. No-one is denying that Calvin is Scottish and indeed the article states he grew up in Scotland, UK. We are simply trying to slowly ensure these standards. Please refrain from making further reverts. Chappy ^T_C 17:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I do not have a history of reverting people's nationality to Scottish from British. I ammend these pages, as the subjects were initially described as Scottish, not British. What you said implies that I go around changing subjects who have long since been described as British. Referring to Scottish, Irish, and Welsh people as British only serves to perpetuate people's ignorance. You know fine and well that most Americans see "British" and assume "English". The finer details are irrelevant.

"England" and "Britain" are oftentimes used interchangeably. That is why Andy Murray is often referred to as "English". There is nothing wrong with being English and I have nothing against people who are. It is offensive, however. Would you not be quick to correct people who referred to you as "Scottish"? Changing everyone to British benefits England, while at the same time adversely affects the other nations. I don't think you quite grasp how ignorant people are to the fact that Britain comprises more than just England.

By referring to the subjects as Scottish, English, Irish, and Welsh their Britishness is inferred. Calling them British only serves to perpetuate ignorance. The consensus on the vast majority of these pages is that people should be reduced to their nationality, not their citizenship. 82.40.19.192 16:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Referring to people as British does not benefit England. It's simply a defensive stubborn streak on your own part that sees it this way. Americans do use just English and British interchangeably but they equally use Scottish and British and Welsh and British interchangeably. They however do not use Irish and I never mentioned Ireland. The Americans know that Ireland is not part of Britain. Besides taking the American view as the view of every user of Wikipedia is small-minded, presumptuous and stereotyping. As I have said the Wikiprojects which aim to implement standards throughout the whole of Wikipedia state that the nationality should be British. As I have also said they cannot ensure all pages meet these standards as it is an ongoing constant task. Throughout charts in the world Calvin is stated as a British artist and the Charts that cover Scotland England and Wales are the British Charts therefore having Calvin's nationality as British is applying Industry (including this kingdoms own industry standards) as well as Wikipedia standards to the article. The subject of Calvin Harris' page is not sottish either, the subject is himself and the music he has created. The subject of any individuals article is themselves, their actions and their achievements. Your talk page shows you have disagreed with many people reverting your edits of changing British to Scottish. I am also not the only person to revert your edits on this article. As I have said the page does NOT deny that Calvin's heritage lies in Scotland, it simply tries to convey his nationality according to the standards set out by Wikipedia. Chappy ^T_C 17:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

"British" is inferred. What exactly are you not getting about that? How utterly ignorant can you be to say that people use "Scotland" and "Wales" interchangebaly with "Britain"? That is absolute nonsense and fine you know it. No one ever mistakes Britain for Scotland or Wales. They mistake it for England incessantly. "Scottish" infers "British". And I was referring to Northern Ireland. I think you know I was.

You keep referring to these standards, but I see no evidence of their implementation. Could you link me to where it states that these artists are to be referred to as "British"? Not that it matters. It's a nonsense rule and perpetuates people's ignorance. It's also absurd to say "Dumfries, Scotland, UK". That is redundant in the extreme, almost offensively so. I also notice you were on Gareth Gates' page and contributed to his talk page, yet he is still introduced as being "English". 82.40.19.192 21:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Insulting people is not welcomed on Wikipedia and people have been banned for doing so. You however must read your own argument to ensure you don't contradict yourself when trying to put forth your point. Stating that "British is inferred" then stating that people don't "use Scotland and Wales interchangeably with Britain" is a contradiction (I would point out that not everyone in the world would instantly know that Scotland is in Britain). I added Scotland in-front of UK in the infobox to try and compromise and also show to you I was not trying to deny Calvin's heritage. The standards are decided upon on the Wikiproject's talk pages by all of the members, to which there is no restriction on joining. You state that I have edited the Gareth Gates page yet if you actually checked I didn't visit Gareth's page, I altered a re-direct Link on the articles talk page, which you can easily reach without going to the main articles page just be clicking on the link on Leeds United A.F.C.'s What Links Here Page. You can see from my edit history at that time I was changing a lot of pages to remove the Re-direct links to the Leeds United page.
I am also surprised by you using Ireland when you meant Northern Ireland. For someone who is so determined on countries not being mistaken for others and whom becomes offended by people doing so, I'm sure the Unionists in Northern Ireland, that are as passionate about the country they are from as you are, would fiercely deny that they were from Ireland. I can however see no compromise here despite several other editors apart from myself changing this to British. You seem stubbornly determined to ensure that this article states that Calvin is Scottish rather than British. Chappy ^T_C 18:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived copy from the talk page of User:82.40.19.192 with an agreement being made on the nationality issue. Please do not edit or delete it.

Calvin Harris

If I change "He grew up in Dumfries, Scotland, UK" to "He was born and grew up in Dumfries, Scotland, UK" and leave the infobox on the right hand side origin as "Dumfries, Scotland, UK" would you be ok with this? Chappy ^T_C 18:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds fine. I would remove the "UK" part though. "Scotland, UK" is a bit redundant. And that's not me being awkward and trying to minimise any mention of the UK. It just doesn't look right. Feel free to leave it if you wish, but most articles of this type tend to say "London, England", "Glasgow, Scotland" etc. 82.40.19.192 22:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hes Scottish for f*** sake

Will the person who reverted Calvin Harris' Nationality to British please f*** off, he is f***ing scottish, deal with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skutar (talk • contribs) 10:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Firstly you are not supposed to use Personal attacks on wikipedia according to their guidelines. If you persist then your account will most probably be blocked
Secondly, British has been agreed on by users as you can see above and the article doesn't try to deny his is heritage lies in Scotland therefore the article should be left as British. Chappy ^T_C 11:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

How come then if it is someone that is English which is also British gets called English. He lived in London for a short while I don't see why that doesn't make him Scottish instead of British... ----Skutar

On that argument living in London would make him more Brittish and less Scottish. The reason he is British is mentioned above (Wikiproject standards). Oh and to sign your comments you can use the four tides ~~~~. Chappy ^T_C 11:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

seems to me a genuine problem here if we go by consensus rather than a proper rule. Scots being a tiny ethnic minority are always going to lose this argument on wikipedia. Does that mean it is correct for most English singers to be labelled English, but most Scottish singers to be labelled British (as appears to be the case on wikipedia)? it's racism really from the majority against a minority who refuse to assimilate... strange outcome because Scots have never really viewed themselves as Brits whereas British more or less equals English to most people 82.35.59.204 06:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Concensus is the only way to create rules for article standards on a community run Encyclopaedia. Creating standards throughout the project is the only way to make it easier for users to read the articles. These standards cannot unfortunately be enfoced due to the editability of Wikipedia however wherever people can these standards are usually implemented, hence he's british here. If musicians are listed as english, they shouldn't really be they should be listed as british. Whether scottish people view themselves as British is unfortunately irrelevant to the nationality displayed here, as they are British, just like English and Welsh people are British. Chappy ^T_C 15:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

but virtually every single English musician I have looked at today is labelled as "English" whilst Calvin Harris repeatedly gets changed to "British". As any non-English Brit will tell you, this is the attitude most English people have - a successful English person is English, a successful Celt is British. But it's not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. 86.165.198.169 (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I just gotta add that regardless of what we say or think Calvin Harris considers himself Scottish - not British as he has stated in interviews with Scottish newspapers and Scottish news programmes plenty of times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.143.229 (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts. I saw him on Youtube, recognised Dumfries, came to Wikipedia to find out if he was indeed Scottish and where he came from..got the information I needed.. perfect! For what it's worth I think he should remain labelled as Scottish, especially if British people from England or elsewhere are also labelled so.Bawdekin (talk) 07:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia infected by irrational anti British sentiment? Calvin Harris is both Socttish and British. This isn't even a debate, but a fact. Britain is a country and a nationality. Abroad people from Britain are said to be 'British nationals'. Anyone born in Britain is a British national and receives a British citizenship, that is a fact. Wikipedias greatest strength, being open source, is also it's greatest weakness. It is left open to ignorance and personal bias. I can't be bothered to supply the tons of evidence on my side, because it's like debating what colour the sky or clouds look like. Come on people, leave your anti-Scottish/British/Welsh/English/whatever aside, it's seriously immature and ruins the accuracy of Wikipedia. Erzan (talk) 21:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

If You Are Scottish then you come from Scotland, Calvin Harris was born in Dumfries or something which is in Scotland, not England (or Britain), I am Manx and I do not like being called English, and I am a DJ myself and I classify my self as a Manx DJ, not a British DJ. Just Saying anyway, listen to Skutar. -DJ Daaar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.190.1 (talk) 22:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Stouffer record

To Chappy84: You're doing an incredible job moderating this page! Many hats off to you. It's a minor point but I think we can combine the two Stouffer entries, the record is entitled "Da Bongos / Brighter Days" and has the following tracklisting which I'm reading off the record sleeve :-) A1: Da Bongos (Original); A2: Da Bongos (Shark & Fotr Remix); B1: Brighter Days (Original); B2: Brighter Days (Peter Presta's Looney Tune Mix). If we need a web reference the best I could find is from Hard To Find Records: http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR87644 Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplepiano (talk • contribs) 14:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, so many new users/anonymous users vandalise pages that if I can't find a source for claims I revert them. I've changed it to one release and added a reference from discogs (which has an image for the cover). Chappy ^T_C 19:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

How could he have been 21 years old in 2002, if born in 1984? Hmmm - we have a conundrum.--202.7.95.71 (talk) 03:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Artists worked with"

That section in the navbox, shouldnt someone put Dizzy Razkal (or whatever his name is lol) in there too? ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(^Ταλκ) 02:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC) adam willies love me charlotte!!! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.3.195 (talk) 19:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

New Album

Removed new album name as no reference givne and a quick Google searches proves fruitless - in addition previous link was incorrect also Nik The Stoned (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I've gone slightly further and commented-out the TBC album; when/if there are more details it can be re-added but at the moment it just seems to be uncited speculation. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 12:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

He has relecced a new sondg called not alone he has enjoyed producing it and will ahve a new album out soon his oparents will be congratuating him becoause he has be rewarded with beind number 1 in the charts this year(2009). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.221.121 (talk) 10:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Calvin Harris is not Electroclash

Why is Calvin Harris listed under Electroclash. Calvin Harris emits cheesy pop hits. This mistake should be remedied —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.76.154 (talk) 16:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Good Work

I loved the way you took the Mickey out of jedward that night on the Xfactor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.130.19 (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Producer Discography

Why is not a producer discography? or at least put in the discography the songs he have produce, like Kylie Minogue songs "In My Arms", "Too Much" and "Heart Beat Rock" and also the new song of The Ting Tings is produce by him "Hands"..and there have to be others that I don't remember, but since there is a list of his Remixed songs why there is not one of the songs he have produce? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.8.104.27 (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

27 Club

Calvin Harris could join the 27 Club next! -- SpongePappy (talk) 00:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

References?

Upon looking at this paragraph:

Recently, many tracks have surfaced with a distinctive 'Calvin Harris' sound to them. Singles such as Chris Brown's "Yeah 3x" and JLS's "Eyes Wide Shut" allegedly sample Harris without official recognition. Brown's single begins with what sounds like 'You Used To Hold Me', then creeps into 'I'm Not Alone'. Harris has acknowledged these tracks and admits he does favour the JLS hit over Brown's single. He confirmed that he would not be taking any legal action against either artists.

I could not see any sources which support this statement. 85.229.222.58 (talk) 14:29, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Associated acts note

Upon going to edit the page I see this comment in the Background info box= "Please do not add associated acts/artists here. Calvin Harris works as a freelance record producer, therefore he is not associated to anyone or artists. Thanks"

Is this standard for certain artists? Being freelance doesn't seem to have much bearing on the apparent purpose of the associated_acts section, that is that the listings aren't meant to imply that said artist is anything more than an independent collaborator. What am I missing? I feel this artist should have associated_acts restored. 76.189.185.71 (talk) 13:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the "associated_acts" labes is that everytime Harris release a song as a collaboration is that the artist with whom he did the contribution will be added even if they are associated only by that song/album.[2][3]. Those places become WP:LAUNDRY lists that should be avoided. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

UK in birth place

Erzan has been persistently adding "UK" or "United Kingdom" to birthplace after being repeatedly told it is not the standard when lone country is known. IPadPerson and SnapSnap have had their input essentially disregarded. Erzan, whether UK is a country or not, the standard is to list a lone country for birth/death location, which in this case is Scotland. UK consists of the countries Scotland, Wales, England, and Northern Ireland. That's a union of four countries. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

After discussing the issue at Acalamari's talk page, I was willing to give Erzan the benefit of the doubt, but seeing how they continue to not only revert other users' edits without providing any reason whatsoever, but also change UK-related nationalities for no apparent reason, I've changed my mind. The user has been warned several times before (and blocked once) for edit-warring over the very same issue—it's like this is the sole purpose of their account. As I've said before, this kind of behavior is neither helpful nor constructive to Wikipedia. SnapSnap 02:14, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that, and the only reason I haven't reverted Erzan again is to keep from edit warring myself. Take caution if reporting to WP:AN3, as we've all been skating on the line of warring (though it is really 3 users disagreeing with 1). XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 02:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I was initially unsure as to whether I should report Erzan to WP:AN3 or WP:AIV, since I crossed the 3RR myself as well, but this seems to be the only solution for Erzan's obsessive editing behavior. Should we bring in an administrator or something? SnapSnap 02:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

These aren't cases of vandalism so certainly not AIV. It looks like one admin's input alone (Acalamari) wasn't enough. If you request admin input, caution should still be taken for in case it comes off as a case of the pot calling the kettle black. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 02:38, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Problem solved. At least for now. SnapSnap 03:01, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the manual states ‘’in geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country)’’

The trouble here is twofold:

1) The misunderstanding of the political constitution of the UK. You see the UK is a country with 3 main tier of governance and its 2nd subordinate divisions are England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

2) The misunderstanding that state and country are words often used interchangeably. So while calling Scotland and Wales a country is correct, they are both subordinate divisions of the UK. Even Northern Ireland use to be called a province although that has fallen out of fashion.

Following from the above, the correct subdivisions using the main capitals as examples are:

London, England, UK

Edinburgh, Scotland, UK

Cardiff, Wales, UK

Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK. --Erzan (talk) 21:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Which manual are you referring to? If anything, it would be more like "Tarland, Aberdeenshire, Scotland" or "Westham, East Sussex, England". XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Westham is not a city (it's a county) and nor is Tarland. Abesenshire and East Sussex are not States/countries/provinces. --Erzan (talk) 22:27, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I was following a format used in other countries such as "Los Angeles, California, U.S." or "Toronto, Ontario, Canada". XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 22:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Tarland is a village and doesn't have city status in the UK, that can only be given by royal approval. Canada is the 1st tier of government and corresponds with the UK. Ontario is the 2nd tier and corresponds to Scotland. Toronto is a city and corresponds with Edinburgh. Canada and the UK are both countries (and states), with various subordinate divisions (called countries/states/provinces). --Erzan (talk) 00:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

That's not the point. I was listing a format used. Either way, it would be things like "______, ______, Northern Ireland" or "_____, Northern Ireland" or "_______, _______, Wales" or "______, Wales". Simple as that. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 00:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Using phrases like 'simple as that' on talk page after disagreement between editors is hardly the language required to reach an agreement or compromise. I came here to discuss the issue, after all Wikipedia is an open source site welcome for all. The format you have used, does not match the example you used of Canada. You compared Tarland a village, to the city of Toronto. --Erzan (talk) 01:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The "simple as that" bit was referring to how simple the format is, sorry if it came off as an attempt to end the discussion. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 01:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It did come across like that, which is unfortunate because this is suppose to be a place where compromise can be reached. What is stopping a compromise of having Dumfries, Scotland, UK? The UK is a country, people from Scotland have pages with UK/Britain included (Andy Murray mentions Britain as his country and Chris Hoy includes UK) Scotland is mentioned, the edit of the UK is not vandalism and complies with the manual format of having ‘’geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country)’’. What is stopping a compromise? --Erzan (talk) 11:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It certainly isn't vandalism, but is not needed when Scotland itself is a country. The standard would be "_____, _____, Scotland". In Calvin Harris' case, it would be "_____, Dumfries, Scotland" or "Dumfries, ______, Scotland". XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 12:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

So we have agreed it's not vandalism. Can we also agree the UK is a country? --Erzan (talk) 09:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Comment

After looking at the latest edit confrontations on this page, i'd like to add my view.

Every other person from England, Scotland and Wales also has "United Kingdom" added to their place of birth. So why should Calvin Harris's Wikipedia page be any different?

We can either add United Kingdom to his place of birth, or go around and remove United Kingdom from every other British persons Wikipedia page.

Is United Kingdom not being added for patriotic reasons, or...?

--Kandyce 2013 (talk) 16:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

First of all, not everyone from those countries has it in their articles. Secondly, it isn't needed (and is being kept out) since Scotland, Wales, England, and Northern Ireland are all lone countries on their own. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi SNUGGUMS. After speaking to some of the powers that be high up in the Wikipedia HQ, it seems that there is no general consensus on whether to add "United Kingdom" or "UK" to British peoples Wikipedia pages. It's basically neither right or wrong to add it, a none issue. Many British people have it added, and some don't. I guess you could just take a vote for it in here. Or look back and see how many people in the talk page are for or against it. --Kandyce 2013 (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2014 (UTC)