Talk:Eighth generation of video game consoles

Nvidia - Project Shield

Graphics processor manufacturer Nvidia has announced Project Shield, an Android-based mobile gaming console complete with a 5-inch, 720p HD screen attached to a console-style controller with dual analog sticks. Nvidia enters the handheld console gaming wars eighth generation with Project Shield.

Commercial Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93L_lo-s5rU&feature=player_embedded

Information - http://blog.games.com/2013/01/07/project-shield-nvidia/
https://developer.nvidia.com/content/getting-started-project-shield
http://www.thegamersdrop.com/2013/03/10/nvidias-project-shield-demonstrates-prowess-with-weekly-videos/
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/02/08/nvidia-shows-off-project-shield-in-new-boxing-video.aspx

Allocation of memory for games and OS

There's no cited source for the alleged allocation of 1GB of system RAM for the Wii U's operating system.ChaosAngelZero (talk) 17:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Adding source. Joe routt (talk) 19:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Units shipped figure

I recently updated the amount of "units shipped" to the new numbers given by Microsoft. Why does it continually get reverted. I realize that 3.9 have not been sold to customers but in the comparison, it is for units shipped not sold. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 14:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Either the figure needs to get changed from "units shipped" to "units sold" or the change needs to stay. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixes, guys. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

We can't simply change the measure to units shipped, because the Wii U and PS4 figures are units sold not shipped. We do not know the amount of Wii U's and PS4's that were shipped, so it is a misleading comparison to use the 3.9 million figure. Markpb91 (talk) 07:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Nintendo only reports shipped units.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 20:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Shipped units are complete nonsense. I'd rather see semi-reliable "sold" statistics from a third party over reliable "shipped" statistics from a first party. A glut of unsold XB1's sitting around the retail channel is no reason to switch to this pathetic metric. -Kai445 (talk) 15:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Shipped units are what they are. We're not here solely to compare sold through success, especially if there are no realible sources out there with worldwide numbers.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 10:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Units shipped figure

Just wanting to generate some discussion on the possibility of removing "Units shipped" and replacing it with "Units sold" in the comparison section. The previous generation, as well as the console's articles have units sold, not shipped. The figure can also be misleading, to those trying to discover the amount of units sold to customers. Thoughts? MrAdaptive343 (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Support - The units shipped figure is deceptive to the average reader. We should stick to what has been sold, and not what's in the back of Best Buy. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 23:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

And how are we supposed to source that? Nintendo for example only reports shipped units.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 00:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Could use both I suppose, and just leave Nintendo's blank (or with a note explaining they only deal in shipped units), but we should make the difference between shipped and sold clear to the reader regardless. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 01:19, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I think we should just use whatever we can find, and label it as such. It's hard enough to find official figures, we don't need to be nitpicking further like this. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• I am going to change it to Units sold and make a note of Nintendo and provide references. If anybody wants further discussion, feel free to bring it up here. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• You haven't waited very long, and haven't alerted any WikiProjects, started an WP:RFC, or anything like that, so you should probably wait until you get more input before making many changes. Sergecross73 msg me 15:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I had seen a 3 person support without opposition get changed in before. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 16:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I left an invitation to participate in the poll at the talk page of the Wikiproject. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the thing is, this is a high traffic page that many other articles connect to, and, as you can see if you look through the talk page and its archives, there's a lot of arguments on how things should be portrayed. As such, you're going to want to get a good consensus for change. Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• I personally feel that either shipped or sold are acceptable, as long as they are accurately depicted and sourced. The video game industry is already difficult enough to get actual figures on, (compared to the film industry, for example, where budget and sales are typically easily found) so we should use whatever we can get. I don't deny that actual units sold is a better measure of marketshare...but we're not some sort of business website like Market Watch or a business themed wiki or something. We're Wikipedia. We're geared towards general audiences. Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Units Sold or Units Shipped poll

Please feel free to continue discussing, but as the discussion takes place, feel free to participate in this WP:POLL. Feel free to add options. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 03:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Option 2: List Units Sold with a note that Nintendo only uses Units Shipped, showing that number

I feel that Units Sold is a more accurate representation to the Market share of a console. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 03:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Option 3: Either, as long as it's labeled as such

1. As long as it's official figures from a reliable source, it shouldn't matter. Sergecross73 msg me 03:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
2. After thinking about it some more, I think this option is best, as long as the difference between shipped and sold is explained in the note. For example, as Nintendo only reports shipped units according to Arkhandar, we could write "This figure represents units shipped to retailers, and not units sold to consumers. The number of units sold to consumers is an unknown amount lower than this figure." or something along these lines. So long as the average reader knows the difference, I think this works best. Trut-h-urts man (T • C) 16:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
3. Conditionally, for the moment either is acceptable as long as the sourcing is accurate. When the eighth generation comes to a close and the lifespan of each console ends, however, we need to shift to units sold because that will be a more accurate representation. At the moment, though, those numbers are likely to be more inaccurate. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 16:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

   That is a good point I hadn't thought of. Yes, when the generation wraps up, it does seem like we'd have figures to do "sold" across the board. (Have we been able to do that for 7th gen yet, with that being pretty close to wrapped up?) Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

   I'm not sure that'd be the case for the PS3 and 360 just yet, or even the Wii with the "Wii mini" thing going on. As someone who works in retail management myself, I can tell you I still get shipments of Xbox 360s and PS3s to sell, not just Ones, PS4s, and Wii U. Until they're officially discontinued (which I believe Microsoft said they'd support the 360 until mid-2016), we could probably get more accurate estimates than we could earlier in the generation, but not absolute solid numbers until they're out of production and out of retail. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 05:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

   Yeah, that's what I kind of figured. So, I mean, if 7th gen is still a ways from wrapping up, applying this to 8th gen would be that much farther out... Sergecross73 msg me 15:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

4. It could be useful to show both when available, to illuminate discrepancies in company expectations vs. consumer interest. Tezero (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
5. After the responses, I agree, we should just use whatever we can find, as long as it is official and referenced.MrAdaptive343 (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. If its any consolation, I, and I'm assuming the others, based on various responses, are okay with using Sold over Shipped if both are available. Sergecross73 msg me 20:05, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Xbox One External Hard Drive Support

Since I can't edit the article, I'm going to leave this here. As of June 3, 2014, the Xbox One can support external hard drives, unlike the PS4. This is the official page explaining what it can support and how to do it on Xbox.com. I hope someone will take care of this. I'm am quite surprised no one changed this in the 3 weeks since that update. Also made a mention on the Xbox One talk page for the same content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.52.125 (talk) 07:19, 25 June 2014 (UTC)