Talk:Depression Quest

"Low importance video game articles"

It would seem to me like this game's article should be more prominent. There is a lot of buzz going around from journalists, critics and gamers regarding Zoe Quinn and this game. Looking at her article, it seems like this is currently being ignored. I'm not sure of the reason why, however relating to just the game itself I have decided to add reception information (from actual sources and not some string of text added by a 4chan troll) and will do so as more critical reviews from notable sources develop.

Swim Jonse (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Please do expand the article - anything you do to that end will be greatly appreciated. You shouldn't take the importance grade to mean too much, though. That grade is answering the question, "In relation to the subject of video games as a whole, for all time, ever, how much significance does this particular article have?" Even Braid is only Mid-importance. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 13:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I guess the "importance" thing seems odd juxtaposed with what has been going on. Purported hacking, doxing, harassment, lies (from many parties) - all central around this game and its creator, and it grows more viral each day. It's in a state where I would not know how to cover it appropriately and fairly, and a state where certain sources definitely have enough notability to be mentioned and others do not. As such, I have not touched the Zoe Quinn article or anything surrounding the current questions being brought up. I do feel that since this game is coming up often, it is important that information is provided. I would also add images (after obtaining the necessary rights to use them, of course), but this is something I have had no experience doing on Wikipedia. Finally, I'm aware that reception needs to be sourced and was hoping someone would manually supply the reference links because that's also not something I am good at here, with my many years of using the site being mainly correcting grammatical/spelling errors, expanding already cited information and rewording things or removing them if they're too poorly worded to contribute to the article. I'll get to doing that now.

Swim Jonse (talk) 06:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I've for a long time felt that there's a strong and pervasive trend of importance-deflation in this project. Personally I got in some disputes on the subject a few months ago, namely that Sonic Adventure should be High- instead of Mid-importance, but that was within our own guidelines - our guidelines, on a wider level, don't allow anything other than the absolute most important genres, companies, and industry terms to be top-importance. Even things like Mario, Tetris, and Pokémon (video game series) are destined to languish at High despite their immense significance and recognizability. When someone as frequently talked-about and (as much as it might hurt to admit) influential as Phil Fish is only Low-importance, we know there's a problem. Tezero (talk) 06:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I would concur that that Fish not being at least Mid-importance is a problem, with Fez' importance independent of him being a jackass (which as far as I can tell has helped contribute to his importance). At the same time, I don't know if Sonic Adventure (the title specifically, not the franchise, which would seem very obviously High-importance to me) is above a Mid-importance category as well. With this thing, that position does not need to be changed at all right now. I was more bringing it into question than anything else, because everything that's happening now with this is an ongoing thing and at some point depending on what continues to happen it may warrant Mid-importance. Swim Jonse (talk) 08:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

That brings up an issue called WP:RECENTISM. I think in this case this is likely to demonstrate what the project would consider to be Mid-importance, but we don't really know because news at any given time covers everything, not just what will go on to accumulate lasting significance. And it's worse because there's no specific timeframe after which we can say, okay, this does or doesn't warrant a Mid-importance rating. I suppose, though, that that would come once the initial news has died down and then an article is still written on it once in a while. This is just an unfortunate fact of journalism.

For the record, I wanted Sonic Adventure to be High because it was probably the first sixth-gen platformer, very advanced in graphics and such for the time (granted, lots of time has passed and Sega has put forth no effort to keep it at all current in later ports), and one of the first console games to use online. I can't decide if I still think this is enough for High, but in most other projects it easily would be. Yes, I like Sonic personally (the series is High already), but in this case I feel it might objectively meet the criteria as much as some other games that already carry that rating. Tezero (talk) 21:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you should bring it up to the relevant Wikiproject, after all, it's their banner. Tutelary (talk) 22:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

User reviews on Metacritic

I've removed these, as it's obvious that the overwhelming negativity doesn't reflect actual sincere reviews from people who have played the game, but aggrieved gamerbros jumping on the current bandwagon. If we're not going to mention the shitstorm - which seems wise - then we shouldn't cite the "reviews" as if they're meaningful. TiC ^(talk) 16:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm generally not in favor of including average user scores on Wikipedia articles, not because I think professional reviewers are immune to immature trends, but because they're so unstable and people could deliberately spam the review column to influence what Wikipedia would have to say. I think it's okay to include a neutral link to the user reviews and let readers draw their own conclusions, though - I prefer erring on the side of more information. Tezero (talk) 21:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

2013 or 2014?

I don't think it's correct to say this is a 2014 game. It was available, and received coverage on gaming sites during 2013.

Also, I haven't actually played the Steam version. Can anybody inform if there are any differences between the two versions? 80.111.111.181 (talk) 22:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)