Talk:Hotter than July

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Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Jenks24 (talk) 01:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hotter than July → Hotter Than July –

• caps —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
• That case change needs discussion Noetica^Tea? 07:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC) [My note asking that the move be considered contested, not merely technical.–N]

• Note Cf. with Special:Allpages/Hotter_Than, WP:CAPS, etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. The relevant style guideline is WP:CT, WP:MOSCAPS. Since than is not among the exceptions listed there, and is not used in a way specified as exceptional, it ought to be lower case here. Incidentally, this accords well with the practice laid out in external major style guides and manuals. Noetica^Tea? 11:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:ALBUMCAPS recommends lower-case "than" in album titles. Jafeluv (talk) 13:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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Proposal to remove pop-funk

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The RollingStone source doesn't explictly call Hotter than July a pop-funk album; it just states this "After the quasi-symphonic puffery of Journey through the Secret Life of Plants, Wonder's music has tightened and toughened into a roiling pop-funk that hits several fiery grooves. Many of the tunes have antecedents in the singer's earlier work..."

Whereas the four singles that were released: "Master Blaster (Jammin')" was reggae, dub "I Ain't Gonna Stand for It" was R&B, soul "Lately" was R&B, soul "Happy Birthday" was R&B

The most commonly used genre was R&B followed by soul and they should be there instead of a source that just says his music after Journey through the Secret Life of Plants, Wonder's music has tightened and toughened into a roiling pop-funk that hits several fiery grooves but that doesn't mean the album is 100% explicitly a pop-funk album and therefore it should be removed. Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 09:07, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Full paragraph: Dan56 (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

“ The current album is set in the real world, where the childish babble that's too often Wonder's verbal mode isn't all happy gurgling. Dedicated to Martin Luther King Jr., Hotter than July actually addresses black issues, and its vision of romantic love is, for a change, decidedly sour. After the quasi-symphonic puffery of Journey through the Secret Life of Plants, Wonder's music has tightened and toughened into a roiling pop-funk that hits several fiery grooves. Many of the tunes have antecedents in the singer's earlier work. ”

The critic is clearly referring to this album. There's no music by Wonder between Journey and Hotter than July, so what else is the critic referring to when he says after Journey, "Wonder's music has tightened and toughened into a roiling pop-funk..."? Dan56 (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose the inclusion of pop-funk as it is not explicitly stated as a pop-funk albumRihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 09:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support its inclusion. The reference in the above quoted paragraph is clear enough. Dan56 (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose I agree with Rihanna; I've got the album and it's sound is more soul and R&B than funky pop 93.186.31.97 (talk) 06:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose 5.81.198.104 (talk) 22:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose pop-funk?! Really come off it, RollingStone's review makes me LOL; it calls it pop-funk grooves which OK to each's own but however reading through a lot of Dan56's edit wars edits on other pages he usually says that the source should explicitly say it's a such and such for the sake of the arguement with this page we're arguing over pop-funk Dan56 would tell everyone else they are wrong 'cause the source doesn't explicitly call the album pop-funk and he'd usually say that pop-funk grooves are elements/influences what not; I can't see how RollingStone's never picked up on reggae or soul. It was nigh on labeling them as elements and not calling the album 100% a pop-funk album. 93.186.23.82 (talk) 11:14, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• As per Dan56's comments on the Unapologetic's talk page back in July; in a nutshell when people suggested to call the album's genre R&B-pop he refused it by saying because of the hypen between R&B-pop it shouldn't be used as it makes it a compound noun meaning that it is a fusion/crossover of the genres' so if Dan56 didn't allow Unapologetic to go as R&B-pop why should Hotter than July go as pop-funk, there even is a hypen between Pop-funk so I oppse it 51 penland road (talk) 13:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment @Dan56, how about we do it Pop-funk with source then R&B, soul as they are that is the most frequent genres used in the singles as I pointed out earlier? Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

According to whom is it the most frequent for the singles, and what do four individual singles have to do with the album? Dan56 (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

A LOT of articles go by that way Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

How's that relevant? Dan56 (talk) 06:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• I support the inclusion of the genre "pop-funk" because it is well-referenced and because other references support the basic idea of some funk in the album. For instance, in his book Funk, author Dave Thompson talks about how Wonder purposely sought out the Gap Band funksters Ronnie and Charles Wilson to be on his album.[1] In Robert H. Cataliotti's book The Songs Became the Stories, he says that Hotter Than July has "heavy funk and reggae grooves".[2] Billboard magazine calls "Did I Hear You Say You Love Me", the fourth single from the album, "a funky uptempo number."[3] Author James E. Perone also calls the song "a funky dance song".[4] A few pages later Perone describes Wonder in the Hotter Than July time frame as "turning increasingly to poppish (as opposed to jazz-oriented) ballads on one hand and potent funk on the other." So the Rolling Stone review is not alone in calling out the funk aspects of this album, the funk aspects of Stevie Wonder in '79–'80.
  I noticed that the 'support' and 'oppose' votes are opposite of the stated proposal which is to remove the genre. I oppose the removal. Binksternet (talk) 19:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment on IPs' votes One or both of the IPs--5.81.198.104, 93.186.31.97--as well as 51 penland road, are likely Rihanna-RiRi-fan and/or Ice'dup-Blingking, because of similar edit histories and genre warring; recently created account 51 penland road referred to a content dispute months ago only Rihanna-RiRi-fan here would have been familiar with, or LuvmeorHateme and Harmelodix, both blocked socks involved at that dispute. Dan56 (talk) 18:20, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Dan56 only Che'Nellefan is my other account due to Spyware and my account was made in September and I just read the talk history and that so maybe it's Harmelodix who's got shit with you Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 16:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Dan56 who have you pissed off? Why's Rationalobserver got it in for ya; they even know how many time you've been blocked and have posted that ANI about you? Didn't Harmelodix have it in for you too? Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 16:37, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 03 December 2014

Hotter than July (album) → Hotter than July – The album is the Primary Topic for the name. In the last 90 days the album article was read 14,259 times and the festival 547 times. When the album was moved and a dab page was created, no attempt was made to clean up the many incoming links. The album needs to be moved back to the base name, with its long-standing hatnote pointing to the festival. PamD 13:16, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support. The Stevie Wonder album is by far the most prominent usage of "Hotter than July". Binksternet (talk) 14:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support. As above the Stevie Wonder album is the most prominent usage of "Hotter than July". In ictu oculi (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support of course Red Slash 01:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support why not, could; if at all possible we create a Hotter than July disambigition article as well but keep this one a just Hotter than July? 93.186.31.112 (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

There's no point in having a disambiguation page when there exists only "Hotter than July" (the album article) and "Hotter than July (festival)". It's a case of WP:TWODABS where a disambiguation page would be deleted. Anyone typing or following a link to "Hotter than July" will get straight to the album and be one click away, via hatnote, from the festival. A dab page would only complicate matters. PamD 15:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support on my Che'Nellefan account I changed the name of the page but now I realize that it should've stayed put Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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