Talk:Ariana Grande

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Frankie Grande

It's time for Frankie to have his own article: He started his professional career in the National Tour of Dora the Explorer Live!. He then appeared in Mamma Mia! on Broadway, held the title of Mr. Broadway 2007, produced Jude Law's Hamlet on Broadway (and vehicles for David Hyde Pierce and Jim Belushi), founded the non-profit arts empowerment organization Broadway in South Africa, toured with Justin Bieber and his sister (as a dancer), and had his own one-man show in New York. He also has an expanding social media presence. See this, for example. He is currently appearing on the TV show Big Brother. Here is more Biographical info on him and here is his Big Brother bio video. Would any Ariana or pop culture fans be willing to start an article about him? Happy editing, everyone. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Inheritance

I read somewhere that she stands to inherit a fortune. I don't know if this is true or just a rumour.Twa..tttz. (talk) 20:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Personal Life

Someone should add that she dated The Wanted's Nathan Sykes from September to December 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.168.177 (talk) 17:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2014

68.34.168.177 (talk) 17:49, 2 August 2014 (UTC) add to her personal life section that she dated The Wanted's Nathan Sykes from September to December of 2013

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Tutelary (talk) 17:54, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Correction

Despite being a ratings success for the network, the series was canceled on July 13, 2014 due to Grande's rising musical career and behind-the-cenes conflict. The finale aired on July 17.[28]

Scenes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankal065 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Three singles simultaneously??

You guys need to put in the fact that Ariana Grande has 3 singles in the Billboard Hot 100 top ten on August 20th, 2014, with Problem, Break Free, and Bang Bang. You need to note that Ariana Grande is the 2nd lead female artist to have 3 singles in the top ten since Adele and also she is the first female artist to have 3 singles in the top 6 simultaneously on the Billboard Digital Songs charts and the 2nd overall since Michael Jackson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.180.179.25 (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Occupation

Has she really been active enough to have 'philanthropist' listed under her occupation? It doesn't seem she has done anywhere near the amount of philanthropy work as she has singing and acting. 210.218.31.101 (talk) 02:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)09/01/2014

Artistry : Personal Image

This starts out with talk about "age-appropriate". Her video Break Free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw has been criticized as overly sexy, as well as the Billboard ad with her in lingerie. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6251472/big-bang-theory-actress-mayim-bialik-has-a-problem-with-ariana-grande-sexy-billboard-ad I think this should be noted as the artist's progression has made this section out-dated. Nuff Said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.67.129 (talk) 07:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Wondering

How come every time Mariah Carey's name is mentioned, it can be hyperlinked to Carey's article? But when other names, like Madonna and Whitney Houston, are mentioned more than once, they do not have additional hyperlinks to their articles? You guys need to stop this BS fan-based crap. This article is about Ariana Grande, not about having multiple chances to hyperlink to Carey's article. This needs to be changed and kept consistent throughout to give the article and Wikipedia some credibility, not to show it was written by a Mariah Carey fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Pope Benedict

"Pope Benedict reportedly labeled homosexuality and working women as sins." - perhaps Pope Benedict saying this was indeed reported somewhere (where?), but such reports must have been inaccurate/untrue. I think a far more verifiable, neutral and accurate statement would be "She was raised a Roman Catholic but abandoned Catholicism after becoming disillusioned with the church during the reign of Pope Benedict XVI." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.93.165 (talk) 19:19, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Singer-Songwriter?

Ok, This has been happening in a lot of articles, where one is not a singer-songwriter, but a singer AND a songwriter. What is the difference, exactly?Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

You might try reading Singer-songwriter. --Musdan77 (talk) 03:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok. So anyone who composes, writes, and sings, pretty much-- Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:55, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

No. The singer who writes songs is not the same as the singer-songwriter who writes political or social activism songs, or deeply personal songs, with the lyric being the most important element. A pop singer cannot be a singer-songwriter because the pop song is about the hook. Binksternet (talk) 05:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Album Charting

Her debut album charted at no. 1 in September 2013 - not January 2010 (which was before it was released!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.221.57.38 (talk) 09:41, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out! I've fixed the date. I also did a little copyediting to an awkward sentence in that paragraph. —C.Fred (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Rumor of Frankie as half-brother

There is no citation whatsoever here that Frankie Grande is her half-brother. His own official bio calls her his "sister," not half-sister (http://blacksheepus.com/frankie.pdf) and she refers to him as her brother here. While it's possible this may be poetic license, there is, nonetheless, NO RS citation that explains or states how they are half-siblings. Without a cite, this claim in this article violates WP:BLP. --209.122.114.237 (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, People magazine refers to him only as Ariana's "brother": http://www.people.com/article/frankie-grande-to-star-rock-of-ages. --209.122.114.237 (talk) 20:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

People did refer to him as a half-sibling: "Frankie Grande, a colorful and very popular contestant on this season of CBS's Big Brother, finally revealed to his fellow houseguests late Friday that his half sister is pop phenom Ariana Grande, according to the reality competition's live feed."[1]^{[emphasis added]} That's the source cited where the half-sibling status is mentioned in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 20:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

(The following text was incorrectly added over top of existing text with this edit.) but that does not mean that they are really blood realitives. Everybody knows they are half-siblings. Why does it say that when we look them up that Frankie is from NYC and that Ariana is from Flordia? Because they are not blood realitives. And still she refers to him as her brother WHICH THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.201.18 (talk • contribs) 21:11, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Catholicism

Whether or not Grande was right to think that Pope Benedict "spoke out against everything from gay marriage to the Harry Potter book series" or not, that is the reason she gave for leaving the religion in the reference. EBY (talk) 04:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Also see talk section on "Pope Benedict". The current article says "Pope Benedict reportedly labeled...working women as sinful", but that's not what the cited article says. The article doesn't report the pope as saying that; the article reports that as her words on him -- third-hand knowledge and evidently wrong. So we should definitely tweak Ariana's article as it looks biased. There is no such evidence to support the pope was ever against "working women" and I did look into this myself. I am in favor of emphasizing her subjectivity such as "Ariana reportedly believes Pope Benedict labeled..." Paulusbenedictus (talk) 04:42, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• In the other section, someone put the same criticism you have. The same answer stands: This article is about Grande, not the Pope. What you are proposing is called Original Research. The cite does not question if Grande was right or wrong but you propose changing the wording to make the cite's content more "neutral" toward the Pope.

Neutrality is NOT changing what the cite says or using another cite to say "Grande was wrong". It is not retroactively arguing with Grande via Wikipedia about whether she misunderstood the Pope's beliefs. The cite - a Catholic magazine - doesn't argue if Grande was right, so Wikipedia doesn't either. It just leaves the word "reportedly" to ensure readers are aware that Grande's basis is unproven. The sanctity of the cite is one of Wikipedia's pillars.

That said - you are absolutely right that the content of the article MUST reflect the content of the cite and I will go compare and fix that.

As an aside, both these claims are cited and discussed on the Pope Benedict article - probably the best place to discuss the Pope's beliefs. EBY (talk) 14:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• I looked at all 3 cites. The article reflects Granda's position accurately in regards to what she believed that the Pope had said. I quickly found several more that all claim Grande believed the same the thing. EBY (talk) 15:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

• I must disagree but I think it's because Wikipedia's article uses "reportedly" on the wrong subject. The referenced article doesn't reportedly cite Pope Benedict; it reportedly cites Ariana. That's the difference. If we simply move "reportedly" to her, as I recommended above ("Ariana reportedly believed Pope Benedict...", you will then have neutrality and correctly reflect the referenced article. My recommendation would fully resolve the disagreement. Paulusbenedictus (talk) 00:23, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• Sounds fair. "‘I was born Roman Catholic but I lost faith when the Pope decided to tell me everything I loved and believed in was wrong," and "Grande was one who went her own way after the previous Pope made statements about pop culture and various groups that she didn’t agree with." One cite puts the words in Granda's mouth, the other takes the Pope's statements as fact. It's hairsplitting, but moving the "reportedly" appears like a reasonable change. EBY (talk) 00:58, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• As of 26 Nov. 2014 the line reads: "Grande was raised a Roman Catholic but abandoned Catholicism after Pope Benedict reportedly labeled homosexuality and working women as sinful." No one has reported such a claim except for Grande. Grande is the one reporting the claim. No source is cited to make such an absurd claim about Catholic working women when hundreds of thousands of working women work as professors and university presidents around the world in Roman Catholic colleges (and non-Catholic colleges), including thousands of nuns -- the quintessential Catholic working women -- working as professors and college presidents. Benedict never even claimed that homosexuality is a sin -- although he has said that the practice of homosexual sex is sinful. That sounds like quibbling, but that's exactly the type of careful distinctions one needs to make in discussing religion, even when one believes (like me) that the theology of religions as Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc. are mostly nonsense. So let's be fair to Christianity, as surely Wikipedia writers would be fair to non-Christian religions despite their mostly nonsense, and change the statement to something like this:

"Grande was raised a Roman Catholic but abandoned Catholicism after she claimed (without evidence) that Pope Benedict labeled homosexuality and working women as sinful."

One needs the "without evidence" because one can't prove a negative easily without citing all of Benedict's writings and then saying: there is no claim of sinfulness of working women here or even of merely being a homosexual (i.e., homosexuality, although he has ignorantly said that homosexuality is " inherently disordered," a position generally taken by most religious devotees even up to today). But being supposedly inherently disordered is not a sin according to Benedict, so let's acknowledge his nuanced position even if I totally disagree with the merits of his position.

Here's evidence for my position: note the parenthetical comment in the Wikipedia article on Burwell v. Hobby Lobby:

"The Green and Hahn families believe that life begins at conception which they equate to fertilization, and object to their closely held for-profit corporations providing health insurance coverage to their female employees of four FDA-approved contraceptives that the Green and Hahn families believe may prevent implantation of a fertilized egg (many doctors and scientists disagree), which the Green and Hahn families believe constitute an abortion."

Is "many doctors and scientists disagree" POV? No. In the same way, "without evidence" or a suitable substitute should be inserted into this locked article.