Talk:Real Madrid CF

EU Flags

The EU flags are important in spanish football. As I've explained only three non-eu citizens can be on a pitch at anytime. Teams get around this by claiming passports from EU countries if they -the players- have ancestry from an Eu country or by nationalising a player after five years which is why some Brazilians have spanish flags e.g Roberto Carlos.

Real Madrid Worldwide fan group

Is it possible to add Real Madrid Worldwide fan site : http://www.realmadrid-club.net to the article page external links ?

Jerzy Dudek shirt number

it says in an interview here: [1] on the real madrid official site that Jerzy Dudek is shirt number 25 so i changed it on the current squad list and his personal page. so by process of elimination, Jordi Codina is number 13. Smithcool

Harvard University study about Real Madrid's followers

"A study at Harvard University concluded that Real Madrid "is one of the 20 most important brand names and the only one in which its executives, the players, are well-known. We have some spectacular figures in regard to worldwide support of the club. There are an estimated 287 million people worldwide who follow Real Madrid."

This part of the text has as reference an article that refers to the study but, besides some other references to the study, I could not find any traces of that study.

International Champions Cup

Tournament	Winner	Nation	Runner-Up	Nation
2013	Real Madrid	Spain	Chelsea	England

Lack of details and perceived bias

I can't see how the Article's brief description of the 11-1 Madrid victory over Barcelona could be considered neutral as the fact that despite winning 11-1 Madrid went on to lose the final of said Copa del Generalissimo to Athletic Bilbao is completely omitted. Further, the article's lack of other key details may induce the average reader to infer that the Regime actively interfered in favor of Real Madrid, even when it is a well known fact Madrid were not successful those early years of Franco's regime, whereas Barcelona, who became the most successful team in Spain by 1953, were. Incidentally, 1953 was the year Di Stefano arrived and led Madrid to their first league title in 21 years, that in itself being 10 years after that 11-1 defeat of Barcelona in the Copa del Generalissimo that Madrid eventually lost.

I propose the language reads more like: "one of the most memorable moments of Real Madrid's early years was their 11-1 victory over Barcelona in the semi-final leg of La Copa del Rey/Generalissimo. Although some suggest Barcelona were intimidated by police and attribute the regime of direct interference, Madrid went on to lose the final against Athletic Bilbao." Something akin to that is far more neutral, and states direct fact.

I'd remove the mention of Madrid fans assaulting a Barcelona Chairman entirely as the article is about Real Madrid's history, not what a specific group of fans may or may not have done to someone at a given moment. Further, including that together with the regime interference claim, could only lead some to infer that Madrid fans were fascists, when the truth is far more complex. The bottom line is that if claims or suggestions of regime interference are going to be referenced, even if its brief, omitting to mention other key facts like the fact Franco imprisoned one Real Madrid President and executed another, doesn't help in painting a clear picture for the average reader. The regime interference claim carries political connotations and tends to simplify what is a complex issue. Just my two cents.Fcrisis (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you somewhat, so while I have not removed the fact that Madrid fans assaulted the Barca coach, I have researched the topic further and added new references in order to portray a more complete picture of the incidents surrounding the game. Other pages (that talk about this incident) are now uniform and don't have contradicting information. Thank you for bringing this to attention.Imperial HRH2 (talk) 18:10, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2015

NO HE IS NOT NUMBER 16!!!! MARtin ØDegård1 Plz change dis.

Dis is esential from which squad he plays in. Castilla Rl.

He 16 yes åld. 129.240.69.33 (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc (open channel) 16:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Here's a reliable source about Ødegaard's squad number (or lack thereof): http://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2015/01/odegaard-its-a-dream-come-true-to-be-at-the-biggest-club-in-the-world . He's seen presented in an unnumbered jersey, and he talks about playing for Castilla, which (at least with my understanding of Spanish shirt number rules) means that there is no way he can have number 16. Please remove the number in any case 2001:878:200:1053:54CA:31B7:340B:5037 (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Random footy fan.

As far as I can tell the source says nothing of a number, all the jersey's are number-less on the front. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done Per this picture. Kante4 (talk) 17:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, that explains everything Mlpearc (open channel) 17:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2015

Please change:

Current squad

As of 1 September 2014

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ESP	Iker Casillas (captain)
2	DF	FRA	Raphaël Varane
3	DF	POR	Pepe (4th captain)
4	DF	ESP	Sergio Ramos (vice-captain)
5	DF	POR	Fábio Coentrão
6	MF	GER	Sami Khedira
7	FW	POR	Cristiano Ronaldo
8	MF	GER	Toni Kroos
9	FW	FRA	Karim Benzema
10	MF	COL	James Rodríguez
11	MF	WAL	Gareth Bale
12	DF	BRA	Marcelo (3rd captain)

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
13	GK	CRC	Keylor Navas
14	FW	MEX	Javier Hernández (on loan from Manchester United)
15	DF	ESP	Dani Carvajal
16	MF	NOR	Martin Ødegaard (Training with the first team and playing with Castilla until the end of the season)
17	DF	ESP	Álvaro Arbeloa
18	DF	ESP	Nacho
19	MF	CRO	Luka Modrić
20	FW	ESP	Jesé
23	MF	ESP	Isco
24	MF	ESP	Asier Illarramendi
25	GK	ESP	Fernando Pacheco

Current squad

As of 1 September 2014

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ESP	Iker Casillas (captain)
2	DF	FRA	Raphaël Varane
3	DF	POR	Pepe (4th captain)
4	DF	ESP	Sergio Ramos (vice-captain)
5	DF	POR	Fábio Coentrão
6	MF	GER	Sami Khedira
7	FW	POR	Cristiano Ronaldo
8	MF	GER	Toni Kroos
9	FW	FRA	Karim Benzema
10	MF	COL	James Rodríguez
11	MF	WAL	Gareth Bale
12	DF	BRA	Marcelo (3rd captain)

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
13	GK	CRC	Keylor Navas
14	FW	MEX	Javier Hernández (on loan from Manchester United)
15	DF	ESP	Dani Carvajal
17	DF	ESP	Álvaro Arbeloa
18	DF	ESP	Nacho
19	MF	CRO	Luka Modrić
20	FW	ESP	Jesé
23	MF	ESP	Isco
24	MF	ESP	Asier Illarramendi
25	GK	ESP	Fernando Pacheco
16	MF	NOR	Martin Ødegaard

Bvsmette (talk) 08:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

not done. Do you have a source? A picture shows him without a number as seen above. Kante4 (talk) 11:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Probably has no 21. Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ESP	Iker Casillas (captain)
2	DF	FRA	Raphaël Varane
3	DF	POR	Pepe (4th captain)
4	DF	ESP	Sergio Ramos (vice-captain)
5	DF	POR	Fábio Coentrão
6	MF	GER	Sami Khedira
7	FW	POR	Cristiano Ronaldo
8	MF	GER	Toni Kroos
9	FW	FRA	Karim Benzema
10	MF	COL	James Rodríguez
11	MF	WAL	Gareth Bale
12	DF	BRA	Marcelo (3rd captain)

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
13	GK	CRC	Keylor Navas
14	FW	MEX	Javier Hernández (on loan from Manchester United)
15	DF	ESP	Dani Carvajal
16	MF	NOR	Martin Ødegaard (Training with the first team and playing with Castilla until the end of the season)
17	DF	ESP	Álvaro Arbeloa
18	DF	ESP	Nacho
19	MF	CRO	Luka Modrić
20	FW	ESP	Jesé
23	MF	ESP	Isco
24	MF	ESP	Asier Illarramendi
25	GK	ESP	Fernando Pacheco

Current squad

As of 1 September 2014

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ESP	Iker Casillas (captain)
2	DF	FRA	Raphaël Varane
3	DF	POR	Pepe (4th captain)
4	DF	ESP	Sergio Ramos (vice-captain)
5	DF	POR	Fábio Coentrão
6	MF	GER	Sami Khedira
7	FW	POR	Cristiano Ronaldo
8	MF	GER	Toni Kroos
9	FW	FRA	Karim Benzema
10	MF	COL	James Rodríguez
11	MF	WAL	Gareth Bale
12	DF	BRA	Marcelo (3rd captain)

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
13	GK	CRC	Keylor Navas
14	FW	MEX	Javier Hernández (on loan from Manchester United)
15	DF	ESP	Dani Carvajal
17	DF	ESP	Álvaro Arbeloa
18	DF	ESP	Nacho
19	MF	CRO	Luka Modrić
20	FW	ESP	Jesé
23	MF	ESP	Isco
24	MF	ESP	Asier Illarramendi
25	GK	ESP	Fernando Pacheco
21	MF	NOR	Martin Ødegaard (Champions league number, not officially playing)

92.96.101.185 (talk) 14:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Real intro

Anyone think this is better than it currently stands?

Real Madrid established itself as a major force in both Spanish and European football during the 1950s. Domestically, the club has won a record 32 La Liga titles, 19 Copa del Rey, 9 Supercopa de España, 1 Copa Eva Duarte and 1 Copa de la Liga. Internationally the club has won a record 10 European Cup/UEFA Champions League titles and a joint record 3 Intercontinental Cups, as well as 2 UEFA Cups, 2 UEFA Super Cups and a FIFA Club World Cup.

I don't really have an issue with how it stands, but, the term "joint most successful" is ambiguous and open to interpretation (its also ever changing wirh each trophy won). This one is definitive...won a record 32 titles domestically, won a record 10 CL internationally. Clearly Real leads both domestically and internationally. I was going to do similar with Barca and remove their "joint" claim...as again it's vague. When statistics are involved we can be more clear. As a Liverpool fan, similar was done to the page today..."one of the most successful",...again, vague. Now it's, record number of Europeam Cups for an English club, and United its record number of Leagues. When it's cut and dried "most successful" then it works fine, but when it's close it gets very iffy.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 19:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

This is exactly what I thought, and brought this point up 3 years ago (with a edit request) to the FC Barcelona editors. They were hesitant and insisted it was used on the FC Barcelona. And it has since been this way. Either way, if you can draw consensus with Barca editors, then all is well. However, I think the "most successful in European Competitions" bit for Real Madrid should stand as it is not ambiguous and it is lede material for another Wiki article, List of UEFA club competition winners. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The problem with the term "most successful" is that it is always an opinion. Real Madrid have indisputably won more European Cups than anyone else, but they are the richest club in the world with an enormous base of supporters and based in one of Europe's major cities. Nottingham Forest have won the same competition twice, despite being a medium-sized provincial club with modest finances. It could be argued that doing that is a greater "success" than Real Madrid's. I think that Wikipedia articles should stick to saying that a club has won a record number of such-and-such titles, or more of a particular competition than any other from their country. Sadly, Barca and Madrid fans both seem to be insistent that their club should be described as "most successful", even if it's only a joint "honour". Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2015

Hello everybody It is announced that martin odegaard got the no. 21 shirt vacant by morata, please add. http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2015/clubs/club=50051/squad/index.html He is in the midfileders section Thank you

92.96.101.185 (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, but he only is on the CL list but won't play for the first team in the league. So i'm not sure if he should be added or added with a note (he won't play anyhow)? Kante4 (talk) 12:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

He might play but only in CL, like a player did in their last game. Probably a note can do good?