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I think the intro to this article is undoubtedly secular, and partial only to those who doubt the history of the Bible. Because of this, I find the article biased and undiplomatic. If you want to make a good article, don't come out by saying that so many peoples beliefs are wrong. You don't have to say that it is a fact that Abraham was real (just that that is what the Bible says), but wait for a different section in the article if you are going to discuss scholarly views that the patriarchal period never happened. And by the way, I doubt that most scholars believe the patriarchal period did not happen. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Knowledge spouse|Knowledge spouse]] ([[User talk:Knowledge spouse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Knowledge spouse|contribs]]) 15:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
I think the intro to this article is undoubtedly secular, and partial only to those who doubt the history of the Bible. Because of this, I find the article biased and undiplomatic. If you want to make a good article, don't come out by saying that so many peoples beliefs are wrong. You don't have to say that it is a fact that Abraham was real (just that that is what the Bible says), but wait for a different section in the article if you are going to discuss scholarly views that the patriarchal period never happened. And by the way, I doubt that most scholars believe the patriarchal period did not happen. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Knowledge spouse|Knowledge spouse]] ([[User talk:Knowledge spouse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Knowledge spouse|contribs]]) 15:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Knowledge spouse, Can you please provide scholarly sources to back this up? Thanks, [[User:Isambard Kingdom|Isambard Kingdom]] ([[User talk:Isambard Kingdom|talk]]) 15:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC) |
:Knowledge spouse, Can you please provide scholarly sources to back this up? Thanks, [[User:Isambard Kingdom|Isambard Kingdom]] ([[User talk:Isambard Kingdom|talk]]) 15:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC) |
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I have altered the section re "Abraham in Islam" whilst it is fine to write all about the relationship between the two, to say that Islam focuses more on Abraham than Judaism and/or Christianity is highly subjective. |
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Aramaean
Should it be mentioned that Passover prayer services in Reform Judaism idiotically claim that Abraham was an Aramaean? "My father was a fugitive Aramean. He went down to Egypt with meager numbers and sojourned there; but there he became a great and very populous nation" (Deuteronomy 26:5). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.88.177.153 (talk) 10:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Isaiah 63 assertion
The article states, "Isaiah 63:16 similarly testifies of tension between the people of Judah and the returning post-Exilic Jews (the "gôlâ"), stating that God is the father of Israel and that Israel's history begins with the Exodus and not with Abraham." Unfortunately, that's not what that passage says. There's no reference to the Exodus. The reference to Abraham not knowing them is much more naturally understood to express the desertion the Israelites felt while in exile. I suggest that this assertion be dropped from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revtshin (talk • contribs) 02:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Abraham's Descendants by Keturah
The "Family Tree" section of this article is a great visual, but it's missing Abraham's descendants through Keturah, another wife he presumably took in his old age. See the "Later Years" heading directly above. This is probably worth including in the family tree, since one of the sons, Midian, plays an important role in the future of Israel (Zipporah, the wife of Moses, was a Midianite). See Exodus 2:15–22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CEF8:B6E0:4994:13F1:6238:EB97 (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Undoubtedly Biased
I think the intro to this article is undoubtedly secular, and partial only to those who doubt the history of the Bible. Because of this, I find the article biased and undiplomatic. If you want to make a good article, don't come out by saying that so many peoples beliefs are wrong. You don't have to say that it is a fact that Abraham was real (just that that is what the Bible says), but wait for a different section in the article if you are going to discuss scholarly views that the patriarchal period never happened. And by the way, I doubt that most scholars believe the patriarchal period did not happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge spouse (talk • contribs) 15:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Knowledge spouse, Can you please provide scholarly sources to back this up? Thanks, Isambard Kingdom (talk) 15:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
I have altered the section re "Abraham in Islam" whilst it is fine to write all about the relationship between the two, to say that Islam focuses more on Abraham than Judaism and/or Christianity is highly subjective.
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