Talk:Bangladesh genocide

Brushup of 'Violence against Biharis' section

The following paragraph has been omitted as I find it irrelevant --

In May 2003, a high court ruling in Bangladesh allowed 10 Biharis to obtain citizenship and voting rights. The ruling also exposed a generation gap amongst Biharis, with younger Biharis tending to be "elated" with the ruling, but with many older people feeling "despair at the enthusiasm" of the younger generation. Many Biharis now seek greater civil rights and citizenship in Bangladesh. On May 19, 2008 the Dhaka High court approved citizenship and voting rights for about 150,000 refugees who were minors at the time of Bangladesh's war of independence in 1971, and those who were born after would also gain the right to vote.

--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabih omar (talk • contribs) 15:01, 23 December 2009‎

Alternative number of victims

Justification for this edit

1. The BBC source in this edit says Independent researchers think that between 300,000 and 500,000 died. The Bangladesh government puts the figure at three million.
2. Hiro says on Page 216: The figure of three million - five times the estimate for the unparalleled communal butchery in Punjab during 1947 - first mentioned by Shaikh Rahman in his interview with British TV personality David Frost in January 1972 after his return to Dacca as a free man is now universally regarded as excessively inflated.
3. Page 9 of Henrik Alffram's book reads like this: figures of 200,000 to 400,000 victims are often mentioned in the literature, though some scholars claim that these figures are seriously inflated Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:15, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

BBC does not say "There is no consensus among independent researchers" you made that up and misrepresented the source. I was wrong with regards to Hiro, but shall check his source. The Human Rights Watch was already shown to be wrong, two months ago, yet you persist in adding it? 45.125.128.247 (talk) 21:06, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

IP, we are allowed to describe what the source says. Here it is clear that the source is saying that there are multiple numbers. I think Sheriff is on good grounds here. Let us drop this. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I have given a Pakistani claim about the origin of the 3 million figure [1] and Bangladeshi counter-claim in The Hindu (See [2]). Here, David Bergman, who is the son-in-law of Bangladeshi foreign minister Kamal Hossain posits a figure of 500,000 based on a 1976 study. Is this POV pushing if both arguments are present!? :)Messiaindarain (talk) 06:49, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Also note, I propose that the "Estimated killings" section be sub-sectioned to "Bangladeshi claims," "Pakistani claims" "Independent" and "Others." There could be matter of debate as to whether, "Sarmila Bose" goes under "others" or gets her own section.Messiaindarain (talk) 06:24, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

I would take the bbc view as more correct. Some people who even say its 100,000 but nobody talks of them because small number of people who say what they want. more general correct view bbc seem to meSaadkhan12345 (talk) 12:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2016

"The Hamoodur Rahman Commission set up by the Pakistani government following the war noted various atrocities committed by the Pakistani military, including widespread arson and killings in the countryside, killing of intellectuals and professionals, killing of Bengali military officers and soldiers on the pretence of mutiny, killing Bengali civilian officials, businessmen and industrialists, raping numerous Bengali women as a deliberate act of revenge, retaliation and torture, deliberate killing of members of the Bengali Hindu minority and the creation of mass graves.[198]"

The above mentioned information, written in the article, contradicts the report itself. Other than the excessive use of force by the Pakistani Army which, according to the report, resulted in the killing of 26,000 individuals (Para 33), the commission never conceded any of above alleged crimes, in the manner that the current article is trying to project. With regards to the rape, the commission challenged the figures of Bangladeshi authorities of 200,000 by citing a hundred or more termination of pregnancies (Para 34) that were carried out by the abortion teams sanctioned by the Britain, in the early 1972. With regards to the killing of intellectuals, professionals, civilian officials, businessmen and industrialists, the commission acknowledged the fact that there do existed a preemptive plan to 'arrest' not to 'kill' the the above mentioned individuals, but that plan was never executed because of the inability of the army to secure their safety such individuals (Para 24, 25, 26, 27). 39.42.123.189 (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  04:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 12 March 2017

1971 Bangladesh genocide → Bengali genocide –

• There is no official name for mass killing and massacre!
  
• see Greek genocide Assyrian genocide Armenian Genocide Bosnian genocide! all of them named after target ethnic groups and victims!
  
• untill 25th march 1971 the victims were known as pakistani Bengalis and from 26th march to 16th december some area were under provincial government and some area under Pakistani Occupation !
  
• untill 1978, the Constitution of Bangladesh referred all citizens of Bangladesh as Bangalis. And all Victims were eliminated for being Bengalis! 78.34.205.197 (talk) 15:44, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose new title fails WP:TITLE all 5 criteria. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose the current title is a common term, e.g., [3]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:08, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose everybody mentions & searches the event using the present name. — Vamsee614 (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

oppose Bengalis are present in two countries but this massacre was only against Bengalis in Bangladesh. Even in Bangla this event is called 1971 Bangladeshi massacre. Not every Bangladeshi is a Bengali, there are Biharis and hill tribes also.Kiwigravity (talk) 09:37, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Strong Support the genocide victims were Bengalis, not Indian Bengalis! look at Infobox: Bangladesh Genocide in East Pakistan sounds like something Pakistan Genocide in India!? —78.34.205.197 (talk) 09:49, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• Strong Support per nom.—Ayomoy (talk) 14:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose Need to add information of the year to identify similar events in different times.--Tr56tr (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

funny! how many Bengali genocide do u know !!!