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Hi, I submitted the article and it was declined. I dont agree with the reason and I tried not to make it an advertised article. Also, I placed 22 links and there are 50 more if needed (most in Hebrew as can see on the hebrew article). I dont know what to do so if anyone can help it will be a great help! Thanks

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April 14

12:34:40, 14 April 2017 review of submission by UrbanStrupp

Hi, my article was declined because of a "lack of notability" - artistic norability being established by "museum's collections and major art reviews" - but in fact, the subject of my article, an artist I really like, is present in quite a number of permanent collections in European museums, which are also cited in the article. Do I need to reference them in a special way? Thank you for letting me know!

Hi UrbanStrupp, you draft currently contains no references at all. See the Referencing for beginners guide. If you need further help please ask here again. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:52, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

!!!OK!!! I had not realized that. Now I know where to start. Thank you, Dodger67!

Request on 14:47:56, 14 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Rudylive


I have tried to submit article many times and it keeps getting reject for the reason that is sounds like advertising. can some one help with the creation of this entry

Rudylive (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rudylive. Your submission appears to be deleted, so we can't help you. Thanks, ProgrammingGeek talktome 14:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

April 15

06:37:01, 15 April 2017 Observation against a review of submission by Bkpsusmitaa


Why is only one voluntary reviewer, SwisterTwister monitoring my draft article, vOICe? As soon as I posted a helpme post in the talk page of the article Draft_talk:VOICe, he posted his reply, which is not acceptable. I have myself enhanced some articles that existed in wikipedia but were without any references, for example, only recently, Spin Trapping.
Are there no other editors who could peruse the draft, which I keep embellishing, and make it into an article? It is not about satisfying my ego, my animal need to be heard or recognised, but I consider it as very important and my pride to be able to report a groundbreaking research to the wikipedians! Bkpsusmitaa (talk) 06:37, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bkpsusmitaa: you submitted the draft for review, and it was rejected by Robert McClenon. You improved it and resubmitted it; and after only two days (remarkably fast, considering the length of the queue), it was reviewed again, by SwisterTwister. You have since improved it further, and it is once more in the queue. No-one is "monitoring" it, and no-one has a duty to monitor it.
Despite SwisterTwister's rapid reviewing of your article, you accused him of "foot-dragging". He replied politely, and after only 17 minutes. Why do you consider that "not acceptable"? He has no more duty to help you with the draft than any of thousands of other volunteer editors. Maproom (talk) 08:00, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reply from Bkpsusmitaa:
The moot point is that I could have converted the draft into an article myself, but desisted from doing it, because of my empathy and moral support for the editors. Actually, no duty (rather, responsibility) was expected of SwisterTwister.
Only 17 min delayed review is not foot-dragging, continual denial for nearly two weeks, and again posting a negative reply within 17 min is; appears as if the reviewer waited for posting a denial.
I acknowledge Sw...Tw...'s quick reviewing, but not my being limited by one particular volunteer editor who preferentially expects a lot of significant sourcing, when I (specifically mentioned earlier) myself have added all the references to a zero referenced article only recently.
I do have an observation to make against the preferential monitoring of one particular poster, while other un-referenced / un-sourced articles lie unnoticed for a long time. Bkpsusmitaa (talk) 09:00, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't limited to "one particular volunteer editor". Each time your draft is reviewed, you are likely (but not guaranteed) to get a different reviewer. Your draft has so far been reviewed twice, by different reviewers.
From Bkpsusmitaa: No, twice by Robert_McClenon in the beginning, but thrice by Sw.Tw., that too, for an extended period of time. That's what irks me! Which is why I posted my observation here!
BTW, why don't you check for yourself whether the said article (rather, technology) has enough significant sourcing?! Such verification only requires common sense. Then we wouldn't have to engage on repetitive exchanges! And do remember to ping me.
I don't know who you mean by "one particular poster" (Bkpsusmitaa: That would be 'me'). We are all volunteers. Some of us chose to monitor things, some choose to review articles, some choose to correct spelling mistakes. We have no duties. In particular SwisterTwister has no duty to review, or even look at, the draft again (Bkpsusmitaa: But he still was there! The dates and reviews are themselves evidences!). Maproom (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - In terms of your concerns regarding sourcing and the appearance of unsourced articles on Wikipedia, I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, which among other things, will explain why policies such as Wikipedia:Reliable sources is followed by reviewers here despite the existence of unsourced articles elsewhere. I would also comment that it appears that the "Reaction" section within your draft appears to be promotionally driven. Isingness (talk) 22:28, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

10:53:06, 15 April 2017 review of submission by Ijvascvisualarts


Why this article was declined? It is all about a new kind of technique drawn on paper by finger nails called Finger Nail Art. A dissertation on this work submitted in the department of Fine Arts at Aligarh Muslim University and Kurukshetra University, India. This art was shown in many exhibition.

Kindly approve the article.

Thanks.. Ijvascvisualarts (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ivasc. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Surely you must have seen that your submission was blank and that this was the reason for its being declined. I looked a little deeper and found that you had introduced some coding errors that caused the draft to appear blank. Those errors are now corrected and the full text of your draft can be seen. Feel free to re-submit the draft when you feel it is ready for review. Before doing so, however, you might want to take a look at WP:CITE and WP:Referencing for beginners. In its current form, your draft falls far short of our referencing requirements. It is unlikely to be accepted for publication unless you can demonstrate that the subject has received in-depth coverage from reliable sources that are independent of him, and you must make that demonstration by using proper referencing. I also note that the entire tone of your draft causes it to appear more like an essay than a neutrally-worded encyclopedia article. Finally, the layout of the material fails many aspects of our Manual of Style, especially the requirement for using headers. In all, you probable should work through our WP:Tutorial, which will introduce you to the basic techniques that are used here at Wikipedia to craft acceptable articles. You also might want to take a look at some of our better-quality articles on visual artists such as Caspar David Friedrich and Daisy Jugadai Napaltjarri, which will give you some idea of what a properly-formatted article looks like. I hope this response has been helpful. NewYorkActuary (talk) 12:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

April 16

03:44:23, 16 April 2017 review of submission by The Brook Shelf


Hello, my article has been rejected several times now always for the same reason. I have taken the steps suggested in seeking assistance in how I should edit my page in order for it to be accepted including going to the Tearoom and the help desk. I updated the article with the suggested edits, but the most recent comment left by the article reviewer states " for all the same reasons as before". If someone would be able to point out specifically which part of the article is not compliant it would be very helpful. Thank you for you time and patience helping with this article. The Brook Shelf (talk) 03:44, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Brook Shelf (talk) 03:44, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The Brook. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. It is oftentimes helpful to contact the individual reviewers to ask for more explanation as to why they declined your article. You can find their names and Talk page buttons in each of the "decline boxes" that appear near the top of your draft. Before posting here, I took a look at your submission and found that I too would have declined it, because you haven't demonstrated that the subject is "notable" in the sense that Wikipedia uses the word. We generally require that "notability" be demonstrated by showing that the subject has received substantial, in-depth coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. And what I saw in your draft were a few magazine articles that were not about the subject, but that merely included a brief quote or two from him. Another reference was largely an interview (and these count very little when demonstrating notability, because an interview is largely a person talking about himself). You need to show that this particular hedge fund manager is somehow worthy of encyclopedic interest, and you have not yet succeeded in doing that. On less substantive notes, you should not be including your Wiki-signature or time stamps in the drafts (as currently appear in two locations). Also, you probably want to read our guidance on referencing, WP:REFB, for information on how to present your references in a standard format. And I see that another editor has already removed the ridiculously long listing of directorships that appeared in the infobox, but that's just a start. There is still far too much data in there, and none of it is sourced. And some of it appears to be patently false. Are you really telling the reader that the subject is known for developing exchange traded funds? Isn't it much closer to the truth to say that he makes a living by running one? And is the subject really a Director of the American Bar Association? Perhaps he is but, if so, it needs to be referenced with a reliable source. I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 12:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]


April 17

01:28:12, 17 April 2017 review of submission by Joslad1


Can you please shift the "Sources" section with the two listed books by DT Stewart and JE Traue below the "References" section? Thank youJoslad1 (talk) 01:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Joslad1 (talk) 01:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Worldbruce (talk) 13:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

13:22:07, 17 April 2017 review of submission by Hutchi333


Any advice on how to improve the neutral point of view in this article would be much appreciated, thank you! Hutchi333 (talk) 13:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - I would refer you to the document Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view. I would also focus on the history (if notable) rather than your sales pitch. As regards how you might rephrase something in a less advertorial manner, here is an example: "Although a British brand, Troubadour works mostly with Italian suppliers for its vegetable-tanned leather, fabrics and zippers," would be better phrased as, "Some of the textiles and materials used by Troubadour, such as zippers or fabrics, are sourced from Italy." I would also avoid terms like "luxury". Isingness (talk) 18:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

17:41:33, 17 April 2017 review of submission by Cecilith

Riccardo Marchesini (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8899218/?ref_=tt_ov_dr) is an italian director; unfortunately there is a homonym already in wikipedia, a canoer with the same name! I am trying to create a page for the director! I thought I had enough references to prove he is real! I am not sure now what was wrong.. Please help :-D

Cecilith (talk) 17:41, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Cecilith, and welcome to Articles for Creation! It seems like you're just using links to other websites, which is fine, but they aren't formatted properly. Please take a look at WP:Referencing for beginners. Thanks! ProgrammingGeek talktome 18:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

21:23:00, 17 April 2017 review of submission by WadeDeadpoolWilson

Hello, Wade. Did you have a specific question? NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
information Note: see WP:Articles for deletion/SwimSwam ProgrammingGeek talktome 23:07, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

April 18

01:27:42, 18 April 2017 review of submission by Jdonnell cs92


I accidentally misspelled Sheafer in the title/url of the wikipedia page. Instead of "Shaefer" it should be "Sheafer" How do I fix this mistake? Jdonnell cs92 (talk)jdonnell cs92


Jdonnell cs92 (talk) 01:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - I have fixed it for you. Isingness (talk) 01:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 02:52:51, 18 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by 202.253.138.199


I have been told that the Wikipedia page on ProSPER.Net cannot be published because it is copyright by ProSPER.Net. I am the responsible for ProSPER.Net, writing the article. I don't see the issue here as we are not failing any copyright issues. I work for ProSPER.Net and am solely responsible for its communications of the network. 202.253.138.199 (talk) 02:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, IP address. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia. The best source of information about copyright questions will be Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. You can also ask questions at WP:THQ. I expect that when you do ask your question at those venues, you will be told that, as an individual, you do not have the right to grant licenses for material that is copyrighted by your employer. I also took a look at the unu.edu web site and saw that the license granted there (which is here) does not permit re-use of its material for commercial purposes, whereas material hosted on Wikipedia does not have that restriction. And so, it seems to me that there is a very real copyright issue that can arise from taking material from the website. But I encourage you to seek a more-expert opinion from either of the two sources that I named at the start. On a different note, if you are writing an article about your employer, you are subject to our conflict-of-interest requirements, for which you might want to read WP:COI. I hope this response has been helpful. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

07:11:27, 18 April 2017 review of submission by Gitakrishna


Kindly view the following 'Draft', and offer your valuable advice on how to further improve the said Article, please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jugpreet_Bajwa_--_the_Blind_Singer Thanks in Advance, please. Gitakrishna (talk) 07:11, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - It appears that JSFarman has provided helpful advice upon your draft. I would also point you to the following document - Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout - which talks about how to comply with Wikipedia's manual of style. Isingness (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

08:13:47, 18 April 2017 review of submission by CYSYork


Can you tell me what else to add that would make it clear how notable the York Civic Trust is? I am surprised that the references I have supplied do not make it clear how important it has been and continues to be in an internationally significant city. It was recognised by the Royal Commission on Historical Monuments England, a government advisory body, and noted in my references - which are wider than those supplied, for example, in the Wikipedia articles on the Gloucester Civic Trust and the Swindon Civic Trust. Please advise, I'm a bit baffled. Thanks CYSYork (talk) 08:13, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - It appears that many of your sources are primary sources; you should likely replace each of these with secondary or third-party sources if you are looking for a different response from those reviewing your draft. You may also want to look at finding sources from outside the York area, in order to demonstrate that it has a level of national or international notability. A helpful document for your situation is likely found here Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Isingness (talk) 01:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

13:53:46, 18 April 2017 review of submission by Wmasterus

Please help me to put reference for below content:

Prompt Softech is a part of Prompt Group of companies based in Ahmedabad city, Gujarat. Prompt mission is "Innovative, Integrated, Value added & Customer-Driven Progress". Prompt Softech is leading automatic milk collection system(AMCS) provider company with 25000+ installation in all over india.

Which type of references are best for above paragraph? Wmasterus (talk) 13:53, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - While the sentence is too promotional for Wikipedia, regarding your specific question regarding sources, I would refer you to the following document: Wikipedia:Reliable sources. You should be able to find guidance there. Isingness (talk) 01:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

April 19

10:54:01, 19 April 2017 review of submission by TGSTINT



Hi there, i have problems to find notable sources. I read the guidlines about notability and reliable sources now several times - and can not see how the current used references in my draft dont agree with them - and what else to use.

Before my first submission I looked for online sources showing the biographical steps over the years the person i write the draft about took - this was declined - which i understand. Before my second submission I checked the reliablility of sources and authors of the used online references. Each one works or worked at some point in professional journalism or at radio/music stations (its a draft about a musician) - all off them for newspapers that are well know (like guardian and new york times etc.) - still declined. I can't see where this does not fit the guidelines but anyway. Before my current submissions I added print media - books and magazines with articles about the musician. Also an encyclopedia entry is added mentioning her. Most of these references and authors even got their own wikipedia page themselves which i linked in the reference section. Again it is declined. And I again can not see where this does not fit the guidelines - but this time all added print references are worldwide published and mostly even world famous (which probably lead to them having their own wikipedia article).

My quesion is quite simple: what else can I use to show notability? Online sources by professional journalists and worldwide published books and magazines by professional journalists do not seem to be enough. So - as I have no clue what else to use - where else can I search? What medium can show notability?

Reply - I would direct you to the following document: Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles . Upon a cursory reading of your page I am not sure she is notable outside of the bands she participated in that already have pages, however this document should help with your understanding of when a musician should be added to Wikipedia and when their content is either not appropriate or better appended to a different entry. Isingness (talk) 23:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

13:10:42, 19 April 2017 review of submission by RoxanneCrossleyScality

Hello, I am trying to post an article about french entrepreneur Jerome Lecat. He is the CEO of Scality. The bio which is used is the one I also wrote for the Scality website - so it is the same. How can I let wikipedia know that I am the one who wrote this bio and that there is therefore no copyright problem? Thanks a lot. Roxanne

RoxanneCrossleyScality (talk) 13:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Roxanne. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia. Your premise is incorrect -- there is a copyright problem here, because your employer is claiming copyright in the material on its website and, as an employee, you do not have the right to waive their claims. Conceivably, you could get your company to place portions of its website in the public domain (or, at least, make it available for re-use under an appropriate license). If you wish to take this route, the best source of information on how to do it will be Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. You can also ask a question at WP:THQ. I hope this response has been helpful. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

16:05:43, 19 April 2017 review of submission by Ravenloches

In attempting to create an entry for The Art Sherpa, I received a response saying that my entry read more like an advertisement. I can certainly see this so I'm hoping to get some guidance in fixing the direction of the entry so it can be available for anyone find the artist and make sure it meets the guidelines. This is all very new to me, I've never created anything like this online. The coding areas look daunting but I'm hoping to make this entry so other artists like me can get information on someone who has been very influential in rediscovering my passion for art. Thanks for your help. Ravenloches (talk) 16:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ravensloches. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. I've re-written your draft to remove the promotional, advertorial and unencyclopedic material. Feel free to revert my changes if you do not approve of them. But even if you do approve them, you will still need to demonstrate that the subject has received in-depth coverage from reliable sources that are independent of her. You might find WP:NARTIST helpful reading, as well as WP:GNG and WP:Reliable sources. I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

19:28:54, 19 April 2017 review of submission by 192.112.102.254


Hi, I entered an article a while ago (3/24/17) entitled Kitchen Witchcraft. Originally, I was editing a stub, but the stub was deleted. So, I simply made a whole new article. Unfortunately, a month after my initial submission (4/19/17), I still see no changes in my article. It has not been uploaded, approved, or rejected. It's still listed as a draft.

I was just wondering if anyone has looked at this article or if there's a specific problem with it that has resulted in this situation. Is there some reason that the article has not been approved or rejected yet?

Thank you.

192.112.102.254 (talk) 19:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - There is a very long backlog here, and the few volunteers good enough to review articles in this space may take some time to get to your article. As a brief review, the deletion review of the stub specifically stated that you needed to provide third-party sources (specifically those outside the practice). While I do not necessarily agree with that opinion, it is unlikely the page will pass through AFC without the use of third-party sources as defined by that AFD, specifically those analyzing or historically recording the practice from outside its field. Isingness (talk) 23:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

19:38:44, 19 April 2017 review of submission by Nagarajan08

Hello, I created an article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Darez_Ahamed about a civil servant in India who has won the Indian Prime Minister's Award for Excellence, and belongs in the category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_Administrative_Service_officers . It has been rejected as not being notable; I believe it should be looked in from an Indian context and the person is notable here. Can someone help whether this is a notability issue or edit issue?

Reply - I do not see where your entry has been rejected. Would you mind please directing us to the proper url? Isingness (talk) 23:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

April 20

Request on 07:37:33, 20 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Rivkiyoudkevich


Hi, I submitted the article and it was declined. I dont agree with the reason and I tried not to make it an advertised article. Also, I placed 22 links and there are 50 more if needed (most in Hebrew as can see on the hebrew article). I dont know what to do so if anyone can help it will be a great help! Thanks

Rivkiyoudkevich (talk) 07:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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