Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 9

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 9, 2017.

Frozen star

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was self-withdrawn. I was wrong. 165.91.12.221 (talk) 11:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• Frozen star → Black hole  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don’t think this is astronomically correct. It is true that black holes have very low temperatures and that time slows down near the event horizon such that an observer can never see another observer crossing it. However, a black hole forms when a star exceeding ~30 M_☉ collapses and goes supernova. Stars exceeding 300 M_☉ usually collapse almost completely except for a small unnova. Stars between 8 and 30 M_☉ form neutron stars. Smaller stars become what are known as white dwarfs. The only objects that could plausibly be described as “frozen stars” are probably black dwarf (a white dwarf that has cooled off) or brown dwarf (a star too small to sustain nuclear fusion of hydrogen). 165.91.12.221 (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

1st of May

• 1st of May → May Day  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Should redirect to May 1 in line with the other 11 “1st of month” redirects. 165.91.12.221 (talk) 10:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Paradise Fire (2016)

• Paradise Fire (2016) → High Cascades Complex fires  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Incorrect redirect that is unlikely to ever be used. There was no "Paradise Fire" in 2016. The Paradise Fire occurred in 2017, and already redirects to the appropriate article. James (^talk/_contribs) 08:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• Delete - I was probably thinking of the Paradise Fire in 2008 when I created this redirect link. Unless another Paradise Fire actually exists in 2016, the page should probably be deleted. LightandDark2000 (talk) 08:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

The Smurfs and communism

• The Smurfs and communism → The Smurfs#Smurf economy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Smurf communism → The Smurfs#Smurf economy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The second redirect was created in 2010 when the first page was moved and redirected. It goes back quite a long way, including 3 AFDs in 2006-07. The Smurfs article mentions nothing about communism; the Economy section does not seem to describe a communist society. 165.91.12.221 (talk) 08:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

23 oktober

• 23 oktober → October 23  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 2 oktober → October 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• 9 oktober → October 9  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• 16 oktober → October 16  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• 25 oktober → October 25  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• 29 oktober → October 29  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• 30 oktober → October 30  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible misspelling. The only language I can think of for “Oktober” is German, but that language almost certainly capitalizes months as we do. No WP:FORRED is appropriate here. October 28 has no similar redirect. 165.91.12.221 (talk) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• Comment added six more similarly spelled redirects. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 08:54, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Also, it appears to be Dutch. Same author created about 40 other redirects at the same time as this one for dates in januari, februari, maart, mei, juni, juli, and augustus, though none for the other months where Dutch and English use the same words. Should I add those here? 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Comment Why is this even a redirect? We should just remove then.Slatersteven (talk) 09:25, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Madonna (album)

• Madonna (album) → Madonna  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There has been some controversy about where this redirect should redirect involving Netoholic and Patar knight, and now me. See the history of the redirect. Anyway, here's what I think.

First, this term, Madonna (album), is currently the subject of an RM discussion at Talk:Madonna_(Madonna_album)#Requested_move_1_December_2017 where I have proposed that it be the title of that article. So really that discussion should be resolved before we change anything here, because if the proposal passes, redirect will be deleted to make room for the article to be moved here anyway.

Second, there are three potential uses for Madonna (album) - two relatively obscure albums named Madonna, and Madonna's first album. There should be no question that Madonna's album is the primary topic. That is, anyone who links with [[Madonna (album)]] would reasonably expect it to go to the article about Madonna's album (and not a subjection of some dab page). So if the RM proposal does not succeed, this should remain redirecting to the article about Madonna's album. --В²C ☎ 02:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

• Delete it. It has no incoming links from mainspace, and nor should it ever. Anyone who links to it should see it as a redlink. Anyone who types it into the search box (an unlikely event!) should have the Wikipedia search function invoked, which only happens if the redirect is deleted. Today's top five results, and daily average pageviews are:

1 Madonna (Madonna album) 521

2 Madonna 11327

3 Madonna albums discography 13156

4 Erotica (Madonna album) 11389

5 Madonna (entertainer) 9970

The #1 result is the least likely wanted on average. It is an old, not topical, album. Anyone lost or "searching" would be better served by #3.

The search function should be allowed to work, and relied upon, for everything less than obvious, and probably the obvious too. The search function algorithms, data, and live data collection and processing is far superior to a few editors guessing at PrimaryTopic. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

The option to delete such redirects was considered and rejected in the discussion preceding the inclusion of [[WP:INCDAB]] in WP:D. Note that that discussion applies specifically to "pages on Wikipedia that have "incomplete" parenthetical disambiguation and no clear primary topic". Unfortunately, that qualification did not make it into the WP:INCDAB text that was actually inserted, however the failed effort to make WP:PDAB a guideline, along with incomplete disambiguations of primary topics that are accepted as titles, like Lost (TV series), demonstrate where community consensus is on this issue. In any case, deleting such redirects was rejected on the grounds that others will be tempted to create articles at them. --В²C ☎ 19:15, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

• Note: discussion moved from Talk:Madonna (album). feminist 03:35, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to Madonna (Madonna album) as the overwhelming WP:PTOPIC for this redirect title. feminist 03:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Close (defer) this RfD as premature. Wait for the close of Talk:Madonna_(Madonna_album)#Requested_move_1_December_2017. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• The overwhelming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Madonna (album) is clearly the topic of the article currently at Madonna (Madonna album), as noted by Feminist above. So, yes, this redirect should, as a minimum, redirect to that article. However, as I noted in the proposal at Talk:Madonna_(Madonna_album)#Requested_move_1_December_2017 the current title of that article is unnecessarily redundant and silly looking, so this title would be a more WP:CONCISE and better choice as title of that article, not merely a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to it. That said, resolution of this discussion should wait for that one to be decided first. --В²C ☎ 05:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Keep as redirect to Madonna#Albums and EPs - This situation is explicitly described at WP:INCDAB, with an example there which is directly on point with this. -- Netoholic @ 07:50, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Bananana phone

• Bananana phone → Bananaphone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Bananana phones → Bananaphone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible typo. Aside from the space, no one would accidentally type more than two na’s, as evidenced by the nonexistence of Bananana 165.91.13.163 (talk) 01:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
EDIT: Special:PrefixIndex/Bananana lists only this and the related redirect Bananana phones, which I am also nominating. 07:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)