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:{{ec}}The claim that transgendered people suffer mental illness at a rate higher than the general population is one which requires medical sourcing. None of the sources presented thus far meet those standards, which can be found at [[WP:MEDRS]]. Unless and until a source meeting those standards can be found, we cannot add this claim to the article.
:{{ec}}The claim that transgendered people suffer mental illness at a rate higher than the general population is one which requires medical sourcing. None of the sources presented thus far meet those standards, which can be found at [[WP:MEDRS]]. Unless and until a source meeting those standards can be found, we cannot add this claim to the article.
:Furthermore, [[WP:MEDRS]] was established for an important reason: Many medical claims which are published in the mass media end up being false. In fact, a very high proportion of them do. To this day, I have seen journalists mentioning the [[Ten percent of the brain myth]] as if it were a fact, and using it to 'explain' things to the reader when writing stories about neurology. One can easily go through [[List of common misconceptions#Human body and health]] with a stack of health, medicine and nutrition popular science works and find examples of each and every one of those, something within an individual work. That is why [[WP:MEDRS]] has become our standard for medical claims: because claims which cannot be sourced in that way are very likely untrue. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 13:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
:Furthermore, [[WP:MEDRS]] was established for an important reason: Many medical claims which are published in the mass media end up being false. In fact, a very high proportion of them do. To this day, I have seen journalists mentioning the [[Ten percent of the brain myth]] as if it were a fact, and using it to 'explain' things to the reader when writing stories about neurology. One can easily go through [[List of common misconceptions#Human body and health]] with a stack of health, medicine and nutrition popular science works and find examples of each and every one of those, something within an individual work. That is why [[WP:MEDRS]] has become our standard for medical claims: because claims which cannot be sourced in that way are very likely untrue. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 13:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hay, I saw that [[User:ArnoldHimmler|ArnoldHimmler]], the one who started this conversation, partly for "trolling". It doesn't look like trolling to me, he looks like he just wanted to add info to the article about Transgenderism being linked to mental illness. there is much evidence for this, much of which I have read, I would be more than happy to show some of them if anyone wants. I think it would improve the article by making it more [[WP:NPOV|neutral]] as right now it seems to be against anything suggesting it is a mental illness. Wikipedia is not supposed to be politically correct, which you people seem to be doing. How is asking if content can be added to an article "Trolling". This is a talk page, that is what talk pages are for, if you have info that is somewhat controversial and may violate wiki-standards, you first ask if it is okay in talk pages, I know that because other editors told me that is how you prevent edit wars. Seems to me people here are just offended by the stuff here being politically incorrect, calling it trolling when in reality it was just normal wiki talk for controversial sources. This is exactly what [[George Soros]],[[Rothschild]], and other globalist elite want, to make people feel overwhelmed and offended and make them panic and feel scared and angry so they can create a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and enslave us all. That is why Donald Trump is having a hard time with trying to build his border wall.


EVIL SATANIC PEOPLE WANT TO ENSLAVE US

thanks,[[User:Spidersmilk|Spidersmilk]] ([[User talk:Spidersmilk|talk]]) 01:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

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Request: Add to the lead paragraph

The lead paragraph should mention the fact that transgenderism has been criticized per the Wikipedia manual. ThomasCalvin (talk) 23:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasCalvin (talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ThomasCalvin, per WP:LEAD, not everything goes in the lead. And things typically should not go in the lead unless covered lower in the article first. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I at first thought you were speaking of the term transgenderism, but it seems you mean that the topic (what some would call "the concept") of being transgender has been criticized. That's a WP:Due issue in addition to being a WP:LEAD issue. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Evolution of transgender terminology

My name is Cristan Williams and you cite some of my research to support the claim that "Psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University coined the term transgender in his 1965 reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology..." I've taken pains in my own research to never use the term, "coin" or "coined" as I can't prove that Oliven was the first person to ever use this term; rather, I can only prove that his is, as of today, the earliest known usage. Prior to my finding of this usage, it was asserted that Virginia Prince "coined" the term and this inspired all sorts of identitarian fights within the trans community. I want to encourage you to use the term "popularize" or "popularized" instead of "coined" because what we know is that, as of today, Oliven's is the earliest known usage and that he, therefore, helped popularize the term. I urge the editors here to reconsider the assertion that we know for a fact that Oliven was the first to use this term, and instead note that his is the earliest known use.

This might be useful as well: http://tsq.dukejournals.org/content/1/1-2/232.full — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehipassiko2 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Transgender people have higher rates of mental illness

http://waltheyer.com/transgenders-4-studies-say-its-mental-disorders/ There plenty more references from many reputable scientific sources.


30% of transgenders suicide! 1 in 3 compared to 1 in 6250 for the average for the world! Do people want to claim this is just a coincidence? Clearly its related.

"Concern because they do not disclose that nearly 90% of the time transgenders suffer serious mental issues"

Can we put this fact in the article or is the article more about being politically correct, aka "transexuals are normal people" "transexuals do not have any higher mental illness"--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blogs are wp:selfpublished and are not wp:reliable sources. Anyone can write anything on a blog. Jim1138 (talk) 09:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Im talking about reputable scientific facts. So no idea why you are talking irrelevant blogs. Is that how you handle facts you dont like? Maybe the list of all the countries that define transgender as mental disorder? Thats basically every country in the world developed or not!

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CNSNews is a right-wing house organ for conservative propaganda, and is not an acceptable reliable source on Wikipedia. Unless you have constructive contributions to make here, you should move on. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 09:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@NorthBySouthBaranof Great argument (If you ignore the fact theres LOTS of CNN references on wiki! But thanks for distracting from the actual topic! American Psychiatric Association https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:48, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ArnoldHimmler: The above link is a blog, you haven't cited RS. CNSNews fails RS on wp:RSN. The links in that blog discuss mortality and morbidity of transgenders, "mental issues" is not "mental disorder". See wp:synthesis. The mental issues are present in every population, possibly more so in transgender populations. The disparity is likely the transgenders dealing with bigotry. Jim1138 (talk) 09:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.psychiatry.or g/patients-families/gender-dysphoriaWOW keep making excuses, for sites that are used for references on this site!

"mental issues" is not "mental disorder" Thats for your blog there, Dr!

"The mental issues (AKA DISORDERS) are present in every population, possibly more so in transgender populations" WOW now you just said they do suffer more mental illness/disorders. Ignoring the fact the reputable references eg the american psychiatric association says so.

So what now how will you deny the fact since you have agreed with it? Why do you push this agenda, where does your bias come from?--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you're proposing a specific change to the article, you need to move on. Wikipedia talk pages are not forums for general discussion of a topic. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 10:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I did (how could you miss that the whole point of this conversation). I have been asking for a change to the article to add the fact since the start (who was it that changed the title of this section from it? was it you?) Add to the article the fact "Transgender people do have higher rates of mental illness! Heres another ref, theres for this fact https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-truth-about-exercise-addiction/201612/why-transgender-people-experience-more-mental-health

Maybe the one from the transgender pro site https://www.nami.org/Find-Support/LGBTQ Since a person edited it out (who was that?)

So do you think the article should be improved by putting in the fact "Transgender people have higher rates of mental illness"? --ArnoldHimmler (talk) 11:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone want to add this fact to the article or is it cover the fact up as its not politically correct time?--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need a source from a reputable medical journal with a comprehensive track record in scientific peer view. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)The claim that transgendered people suffer mental illness at a rate higher than the general population is one which requires medical sourcing. None of the sources presented thus far meet those standards, which can be found at WP:MEDRS. Unless and until a source meeting those standards can be found, we cannot add this claim to the article.
Furthermore, WP:MEDRS was established for an important reason: Many medical claims which are published in the mass media end up being false. In fact, a very high proportion of them do. To this day, I have seen journalists mentioning the Ten percent of the brain myth as if it were a fact, and using it to 'explain' things to the reader when writing stories about neurology. One can easily go through List of common misconceptions#Human body and health with a stack of health, medicine and nutrition popular science works and find examples of each and every one of those, something within an individual work. That is why WP:MEDRS has become our standard for medical claims: because claims which cannot be sourced in that way are very likely untrue. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Hay, I saw that ArnoldHimmler, the one who started this conversation, partly for "trolling". It doesn't look like trolling to me, he looks like he just wanted to add info to the article about Transgenderism being linked to mental illness. there is much evidence for this, much of which I have read, I would be more than happy to show some of them if anyone wants. I think it would improve the article by making it more neutral as right now it seems to be against anything suggesting it is a mental illness. Wikipedia is not supposed to be politically correct, which you people seem to be doing. How is asking if content can be added to an article "Trolling". This is a talk page, that is what talk pages are for, if you have info that is somewhat controversial and may violate wiki-standards, you first ask if it is okay in talk pages, I know that because other editors told me that is how you prevent edit wars. Seems to me people here are just offended by the stuff here being politically incorrect, calling it trolling when in reality it was just normal wiki talk for controversial sources. This is exactly what George Soros,Rothschild, and other globalist elite want, to make people feel overwhelmed and offended and make them panic and feel scared and angry so they can create a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and enslave us all. That is why Donald Trump is having a hard time with trying to build his border wall.


EVIL SATANIC PEOPLE WANT TO ENSLAVE US

thanks,Spidersmilk (talk) 01:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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