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Yeap. --CaptainNtheGameMaster (talk) 06:59, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

"whereas"

I fixed a misused preposition. A disruptive user reverted my change three times without bothering to explain why. A second user has now also undone this common sense edit. The relevant text is this:

"His family has a long association with motor sports. His father, Jos Verstappen, is a Dutch former Formula One driver, whereas his Belgian mother, Sophie Kumpen, competed in karting."

"Whereas" would be used if his mother was not involved in motorsport. When the point of that sentence is that both parents were involved in motorsport, "whereas" makes no sense at all. "While" is correct; "and" would also be correct. There is no way of reading this sentence in which "whereas" is correct. Pe19 (talk) 18:30, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Let's break this down. Firstly, your claim that using 'whereas' in that sentence indicates his mother didn't participate in motor sport is simply wrong. Those are two separate sentences: 1) he is from a motor sport family; 2) his father is famous for one type whereas his mother is famous for another. The first sentence sets the general picture, the second gives the specifics and the contrast between father and mother. Had it been one continuous sentence that said "most of his family are involved in motor sport, whereas his mother isn't" you might have had a point. However, it doesn't and you don't. Secondly, used as a conjunction (not a preposition...) in that sentence, both Merriam Webster and OED give 'whereas' as a definition for 'while'. However, 'while' can also mean 'during the same time', whereas 'whereas' only means... well, whereas. Pyrope 14:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

You are failing to understand so many things.

• I did not say that the sentence indicates that his mother didn't participate in motorsport. I said it would be correct if that was what you wanted to indicate. Saying "person X did thing A, whereas person Y also did thing A" does not make sense. It does not indicate that person Y did not do thing A; it simply doesn't make sense.
• If the preceding sentence was "his parents were involved in different branches of motorsport" it might make sense to use "whereas" to contrast the different branches. But the preceding sentence is "His family has a long association with motor sports". The point is not that one parent was in F1 and the other was in karting. What type of motorsport they did is completely irrelevant. The point is that they were both in motorsports. There is no contrast between father and mother.
• "while" can indeed mean "during the same time". It does not mean that in this context, obviously.

The sentence does not make sense with "whereas". I do not see any evidence yet that you understand what the sentence is even for. Pe19 (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)