Talk:Wii/Archive 20

Archives

Requested Move to Nintendo Wii (17th-22nd May 2006 - consensus: Not Moved) Archive 1 (May 2005 - July 2005) Archive 2 (July 2005 - September 2005) Archive 3 (September 2005 - December 2005) Archive 4 (December 2005 - March 2006) Archive 5 (March 2006 - April 2006) Archive 6 (April 2006) Archive 7 (Pre-E3 2006) Archive 8 (E3 2006) Archive 9 (Post E3 2006 up to 20th May 2006) Archive 10 (20th May 2006 - 31st May 2006) Archive 11 (June 2006) Archive 12 (July 2006) Archive 13 (August 2006) Archive 14 (Sept 1st 2006 - Sept 13 2006) Archive 15 (Sept 14th 2006 - Sept 30 2006) Archive 16 (Oct 1st 2006 - Oct 27th 2006) Archive 17 (Oct 28th, 2006 - Nov 4th, 2006)

Common Questions & Answers

Please do not start a new section for any of these topics, they have been discussed ad nauseam.

"Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii"?

It's just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 thru 10) and the separately archived survey for details.

Definitely should be "Nintendo Wii". 71.0.171.222 22:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Look at the archives. It's just "Wii", even Nintendo just calls it "Wii" (and not "Nintendo Wii"). TJ Spyke 22:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Its Wii. Nintendo strictly says that. WiiVolve 09:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it comes down to the name only containing one syllable, so "Wii" on its own in context makes perfect sense, but in a random sentence "I was playing about with my Wii last night" You can see how that may be seen as slightly weird. Hence the reason some people add Nintendo as a prefix, if the XBOX was just called the "X" or "BOX" then people would add Microsoft to avoid confusion. This is mainly an issue with verbal communication, not written and as such in this article it should just be "Wii" as we already know what context it is being used in. Caseh 10:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"Wii" vs. "The Wii"?

Depends on the context you're using it in. Some people prefer to say "Wii" (like a proper noun), others prefer to say the "Wii" (like a common noun). Just don't pick a fight over it -- the Wii article is already mentioned in Wikipedia's Lamest Edit Wars ever.

I know I'm not supposed to bring this up, but the fact is, in normal conversation, no one uses "Wii" as a proper noun. It just doesn't parse. I know Nintendo wants everyone to do it that way, but I think that in a case where common usage conflicts with Nintendo's style guide, to cater to Nintendo's desired usage violates NPOV. MrVoluntarist 13:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with MrVoluntarist. The opening sentence of this article should be "The Wii is..." not "Wii is..." You don't see "PlayStation 3 is..." you see "The PlayStation 3 is..." --Tristam 16:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

To that point, I distincly recall that Reggie fellow (CEO of Nintendo of America) using "the Wii" to refer to the console in the latest press conferences and interviews. I can pull up specific examples if need be, but the "drop the the" thing seems to be limited to some silly campaign around E3 when the name was revealed. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

All excellent points. I am going to add the preceding "the" article in the introduction. We should be following proper grammar, not PR campaigns. EDIT: Perhaps I won't after reading the commented out warning in the code. Why are we modifying grammar because Nintendo says so? Sorry guys, it really isn't up to them if "the" precedes Wii. I have no problem with their quirky campaign; I'll be buying a Wii myself on launch date. Can we exercise some greater professionalism here? --Tristam 18:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo's preferred style does not obligate us to use it, anymore than a company can dictate the pronoun you use to refer to the system. I'd like to hear some more comments from people who support following Nintendo's style. (And, like Tristam, I'm planning to get a Wii, don't accuse me of anti-Nintendo bias.) MrVoluntarist 18:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with MrVoluntarist too. It's common for console names to become not quite genericized, but diluted to the point where they are used as common nouns rather than proper trademark names. I remember mentioning this during the The debate, provoking someone else to suddenly go and remove all the "The"s from just about every videogame console article on here (followed almost as promptly by several reverts). --Stratadrake 15:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Proper grammar

Wii is a proper noun, but that does not mean it is exempt from proper grammar. Preceding articles such as "the" and "a" should be added, because grammar conforms to commonly accepted standards in the English language, not to Nintendo's PR campaign. As I state below, I am buying a Wii at launch. Can we exercise professionalism rather than fanboyism? --Tristam 03:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Proper grammar takes precedence over a company's PR efforts. I plan on purchasing a Wii and at least attempting to continue using proper grammar.Kedlav 11:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting way to move this argument under that banner (which I edited). What makes you think that a proper noun can't be preceded by an article? Is the Panama Canal no longer a proper noun? --Tristam 00:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Good grief. I was lazy, and didn't care enough to phrase and word things properly. The heading was just to separate your comments from the discussion about the "criticisms" section, because they're not related. Look, from what I can see with a quick look at the recent discussion, noone's disputing your proposed changes. Just go ahead and make the changes once the article is unprotected. You certainly had the opportunity the other times you commented on the issue. There isn't much point in voicing the same complaint over and over again when there isn't any active opposition. Heck, it's minor enough. If you can't wait for the protection to be lifted, you can detail the specific changes you want right here, then can flag your suggestion with an {{editprotected}} template. Dancter 04:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I jumped like that (by the way, the "you" didn't refer to you specifically; I didn't even look at who moved the text anyways). Actually, I think an edit war would inevitably follow my proposed changes. No one has disputed my claims because, quite frankly, they're grammatically correct. There are only sly, roundabout comments that "Well, NINTENDO confirmed that it's not the Wii, so..." Which, of course, completely ignores the issue at hand, because the point is that Nintendo doesn't decide grammatical rules. The other problem I have with carrying out my changes is the all-caps notice plastered at the top of the page: "DISCUSSIONS IN THE DISCUSSION SECTION HAVE DECIDED TO NAME THE CONSOLE "Wii", NOT "The Wii". PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE IT TO "The Wii"." So far, the only people that have responded have given support for changing to a grammatically correct style. If I don't see any legitimate opposition within the next few days, then I will take your suggestion and implement the changes. --Tristam 15:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it would make more sense to replace "the Wii" with "the Wii console" or "the console". "Wii" itself doesn't have to be used as often in an article specifically documenting it. Just64helpin 20:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with mentioning "the Wii," but you are right in that substituting the phrase with "the console" will add flavor and reduce redundancy. --Tristam 22:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Just throwing in my two cents. Nintendo is acting as if "Wii" is a human beings name, meaning "this is like your little brother!" Thusly, "Wii" would work in that sense. "Wii goes to school." "I play with Wii at home." However, this is all a PR stunt. I think this can of worms needs to be reopened. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 08:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Since it looks like there's a consensus among pretty much everyone that's posting on the talk page that we're going to use articles when we refer to "the Wii," does anyone intend to update the article for consistency in this respect? There are still several instances, especially in the latter half, where articles are dropped and "Wii" is named as if it were a person. If no one else wants to do it, I will. (Also, in case anyone cares, the missing article makes perfect sense in Japanese. Nintendo's Japanese marketing department must have more clout than the American one.) BIEB!! 00:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I initially refrained: after a consensus began to form, the page was again given full protection. I urge you to follow through with the editing, but be sure to bring your bazooka. --Tristam 09:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wee" (as in urine) ?

No. There is no need to mention it in the article. We actually took a survey on this question, see archive #14 for details.

Thats not Funny do Not Speak like that (I love entei 21:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC))

? The Wikipedia is not censored. Sorry. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference between censoring the article and not filling it with stupid crap.--Agent Aquamarine 22:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Agent Auqamarine What are you Saying? (I love entei 23:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC))

I've presumed that I love entei was responding directly to this FAQ question, not the the nuts who keep perpetuating it. Of course, I can't really tell. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I was speaking to Consumed Crustacean, who I thought meant that he should be allowed to talk about the fact that is sounds like "Wee" because Wikipedia isn't censored. Obviously, this wasn't the case, although I'm still not entirely sure what he meant.--Agent Aquamarine 23:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure either. I assumed that the user took offence at the FAQ question itself. After some communication, I think that's sort of the case. This has all been very confusing :P -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Better rephrase it, then. The survey consensus (from archive #14) was about mentioning the "Wee" reference in the article and not just in general. --Stratadrake 00:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Is this _really_ needed in this article? C'mon! This is an online Encyclopedia! Rubbicub 23:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no denying that the name is controversial, and many, many, many people commented on it's alternate meanings. WP is about the truth, not being politically correct and censored. Scepia 03:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Wii" has no other meaning. I believe "sound alike" is what you were looking for. 03:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A Sound Alike word does not need to be mentioned. This article is about the "Wii" not "Wee" or urine. Rubbicub 04:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You are totally ignoring the point. The fact, the truth that was posted in thousands of blogs, many respectable website (AKA IGN, GameSpot, etc.) is that it sounds like wee. Denying this fact is not going to get us to a encyclopedia that reports all the facts. Denying this will lead us to be biased because some people feel like their "too mature" to talk about urine on Wikipedia. You can call it silly or pointless to connect it with urine, but that fact is not going away. Scepia 08:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you obsessed with Urine? 05:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Look, I do not see your problem. Urine has nothing to do with the Nintendo Wii video game console. It belongs in it's own article. It has it's own article. And just because IGN said: "Wii sounds like Wee, The pet name for urine" It doesn't mean that it belongs in this article. Rubbicub 05:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Learn how to spell its, retards. -lysdexia 19:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Learn how to post on Wikipedia without making personal insults. In all seriousness though, this has been discussed to exhaustion a while ago. It was tricky just for me to be able to include a section saying there was criticism about the name. --Twile 20:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Phonetic similarities

Please link the phonetic similarities from the article:

or even made fun of the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English and French.

Please replace this with the following:

or even made fun of the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English (see Wee) and French (see oui in Wiktionary).

--Damian Yerrick (☎) 18:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The segment does not appear to be tagged for a citation, so it should be deleted outright. Just64helpin 20:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Now it is. The reference wasn't as clear as when I first read the section. Just64helpin 17:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It was there all along, and I do think that putting a reference for every single statement is overkill. Imagine if you got three citations to the same place when you were listing off the system dimensions. Just plain silly. Regardless I'll let it slide, just please, don't EVER suggest to delete something the moment you see it doesn't have a little superscript reference number right next to it. You'll get people upset by suggesting their contributions aren't worth keeping, even if it's just because you didn't look closely enough at the citations. --Twile 21:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Then please add a citation.[1][2] --Damian Yerrick (☎) 00:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It was also decided that "Wee" not be mentioned in the article (right here if you can't find it). Just64helpin 14:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, don't get me started again. This was brought up many times, only one of which I was involved for. The final "vote" was a silly one-sided slam-fest which went on for less than 24 hours, during which I wasn't even able to put my thoughts in. I worked rather hard to produce something that was a compromise between being respectful to Nintendo, unoffensive to readers, had citations from reliable sources, and was respectful to gamers (i.e. NOT acting like everyone was happy as can be about the name). As for your earlier comment about deleting from no citations, STFU. Just STFU. I've earned the right to say that to you because I did make sure there were citations. Take a look at the Gamasutra article. See the first sentence? It mentions urine references. Now search the page for the word "French", and *gasp* it says "Of course, it also sounds like the French word for "yes," "oui" ". And if the first part with the urine reference isn't good enough, look right below this bit about the "oui" and what do you know, it actually uses the word "wee". You, madam/sir, are wrong on both counts, and the citations are right in front of your face. Drop this here and now. --Twile 18:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Drop what, exactly? I was merely making a suggestion. Just64helpin 21:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Canada Flag, again

I'm afraid I will need to request that the Canadian Flag to be put back. We North Americans unfortunately do not have a flag to represent out continent like Europe. So the Canadian flag should be place right next to the American one (no need to put the date twice). Duhman0009 23:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Just for claryfication, where is it supposed to go? In the Wii userbox-like thing on the right?--Farquaadhnchmn 00:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=85660955&oldid=85626642 Duhman0009 00:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thread1

• If we did that, we would need a flag for Mexico, at least, and technically the flags or Columbia and Peru. If you guys want to do USA, CAN, and MEX, that could work. Scepia 00:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Usually the US flag represents North America unless the other countries have different release dates. Besides, if we add Canada then why not every other single flag? TJ Spyke 00:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that a general public view on a flag to represent other countries counts as a personal POV, which is no accepted on Wikipedia. To answer to both you and Scepia, either add all the required flags or just put NA which stands for North America. Duhman0009 01:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I have added all N. American countries to the infobox, so now the flags are on the top line and the date on the second line. Unfortunately they are not all the same size. Scepia 02:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

We should probably substitute a Flag of North America for the most populous North American country, as that seems the most neutral option. Not that neutral, really, but a bit less neutral.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 02:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I come from one of those less populous countries and I find this idea to be a discrimination. Duhman0009 02:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't like the idea much myself. Why don't we just change it to "NA" and "SA" until international flags are organized by the two continents.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with this. Flags are used for the look and because it's far easier to read a flag and realize its resemblance than to see "NA" and understand what it means (though you'd generally realize it anyway, it just doesn't look as good). The United States, Canada and Mexico will never have a flag like Europe does until the Free Trade Area of the Americas act passes, because they are under a trade agreement which combined their money. This is a moot point - back to the topic. Discrimination or not, Wikipedia is not a democracy and is not fair. They are neutral. Spain is seperated from the European Union because they have a different release date. North America is set to United States because they are the bigger country in terms of population. No matter what side you stand on, you have to take this into account, and for space reasons, we have this set up as such. Same with Australia. What this wikibox will NOT turn into is every country trying to get an equal piece of the pie, because 500 countries would be rediculous. However, they are more than welcome to have a piece of the table. It's been tried, and it has failed. However, by all means, Argentina can be happily added. In fact, I'll do that myself. The Wii homepage says nothing about South America. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Your spelling is. -lysdexia 22:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Has everyone (including me) gone paranoid over this conversation, responding every five seconds?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

What about the Flag of the North American Free Trade Agreement?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh god. Shoot yourself in the foot! If that actually goes through, I'm moving to Mars. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

This is still for NA alone. And not even passed :P Wii is releasing in NA and SA. Scepia 03:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thread2

Scepia, Peru and Columbia are South American countries (or did you forget you geography?). That was just clutter, having like 5 flags on the same line. TJ Spyke 02:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed there are. I don't know why I tought they were part of Central America (which would have counted for North America). Well in that case, perhaps a SA for South America date should be added. 02:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Duhman0009 02:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Obviously, the USA flag represents South America. Your reasoning is invalid. BTW I changed it to the text NA considering that representing all parties is "just ugly". Scepia 02:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I menat the US flag just representing North America. The most populous South American flag in the range of countries that will be selling Wiis could represent South America. The only truly neutral way would be to organize an international committee for the formation of North American and South American flags.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to disagree and I'm sure you would also if Canada was the most populous country in NA. Duhman0009 03:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I would, I dunno...please see my comment above.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand you idea, but let's face the 2 facts here: 1- North America does not have a flag to represent it's continent, we're stuck with multiple flags. 2- The US flag does not in any way represent North America, stating otherwise is not only plain wrong but it also brings out discrimination issues. Duhman0009 03:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Not one of my better ideas, thought up on the spot and heavily influenced by another person. I think "NA" and "SA" is the best choice now.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like that as well. I know of some other pages that don't use flags, like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_vii Duhman0009 03:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm disagreeing with the whole "Text" thing, because the reason of the Wii infobox is a smooth reading of quick information. Flags show far more information much faster than writing it out, and thats why it's used. NA and SA not only look disgusting, but they're TRUNCATED. (flag) reads faster than (North America). The infobox is purely cosmetic, and you're smearing marker on it. Why not get rid of it? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

May I re-point out my other comment, in case it hasn't been noticed, about the flag of NAFTA?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The NAFTA flag only represents NA, not SA too. Plus, that flagicon would have to be created, since the image is 3D. Scepia 03:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

FTAA and NAFTA are disgusting pieces of legislation created by millionaires who wish to merge countries together so they can exploit more workers, makeing costs to employ people drop due to how cheaply they work in Mexico and SA. By what I've read, it FTAA includes South America too. I will never live under that flag of slavery, and neither will this article. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, I realized after reading these comments that Peru and Colombia are in fact in S. America :P Using all the flags would be more consistent and less ambiguous. I changed it to NA and SA, and maybe it will stay that way. Scepia 03:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thread3

Tell me everyone, what is wrong with having the five flags on one line and the release date on the next line? They must take up a total 2 KB, and there is no issue at all of discrimination. Scepia 03:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, it's "ugly" or something, but I don't see much wrong with it. Maybe we could try it in a different, more visually appealing format so everybody's happy.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 03:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

And that would be...? We could do superscript text like on the FF page, but that is not as quick and uglier (as said above) Scepia 03:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of the textbox is cosmetic. It quickly conveys information, and thats its job. Throwing every country in the nation on the same line when someone can scroll one page down for all the information destroys what the box is trying to convey - ease of information. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

We all understand the USA icon represents NA and SA, but someone who doesn't know this, let alone that the USA is the figurehead for NA, should not have to scroll down to the table. It's all about ease and speed of info. Scepia 03:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Well this is getting us no where >_>. OK, I think Wikipedia must have a dummy page that would allow us to play around and compare results. If so, let's keep in mind that using any single country's flag to represent a continent is wrong. Also, let's try to decide on using flags or abbreviations. Duhman0009 03:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I can understand the South America aspect. If thats your primary case, go right ahead, add a South American country. However, adding any other countries other than the largest in South America would be a detriment to the infobox than a help. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

People please, stop using the excuse of the largest or most popular country. No where in the world does a single country represent the entire continent based on size or population. Wikipedia is suppose to be like a real encyclopedia and real encyclopedias don't use the American flag to represent Canada and Mexico. Duhman0009 04:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Brazil is the most populous country. The Wii has not even been announced for Brazil, so using the Brazil flagicon is totally misleading.

The fact is that there are only 5 countries in the Americas that Wii is being released in (that we know of so far) so it wouldn't be the end of the world to use all of them (at this point at least). In truth, there are only 2 SA countries with known Wii releases. Using two flagicons is not much different from using one, and the former is much more accurate. Scepia 04:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

If we're going to put more flags for NA on this article, the same would have to be done for all the other articles involving releases (ie. game pages, other systems, etc.). This is rediculous, it doesn't really matter. Geez.--Purplepurplepurple 04:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I hope you're not American or else your opinion raise a conflict of interest. And regarding others pages, well, one page at the time.Duhman0009 04:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

A "real" encyclopedia isn't online and doesn't have these abilities to talk to others and be able to be up to date 24/7 either. I digress, however, and say if you're going to add Canada, maybe we should put in Russia, Afghanistan, Kazantzakis's, Uzbekistan, etc. etc. etc. Oh, I forgot, you'll have to put every country on this list reguardless of if they have a release date set or not, because if you don't, thats discrimination! Happy attempting to find your country in that. Give me a break! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Objection! Wikipedia's rules and regulation state that everything must be written like a real encyclopedia. Second Objection! These listed countries do not have a Wii launch as of yet. Duhman0009 04:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

You know that the Wii has no current release plans for Russia, correct? You know that we can only have info on countries that have release dates. Don't try to prove a point.

Thread4

I have made a sandbox for the Wii infobox here. Scepia 04:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC) Scepia 04:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, can I play around with that?Duhman0009 04:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, feel free. Just add new possibilites to a new row, below the 3 ideas given. We need all possible ideas. Scepia 04:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Anything in the manual of style about stuff like this?--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 04:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that matters. It's all about what works in the article, what is most informative, fast, etc. There's no reason to worry about rules when we can do the right thing. Scepia 04:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest we move this discussion to the User Page and vote on it, democracy or not. We won't solve the problem just like this. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Voting is fair as long as it doesn't include the choice of using a single country flag to represent a continent or else everyone will vote for their country's flag. the votes should be for: using abbreviations or different ways to use all the necessary flags.Duhman0009 04:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That would be even less fair. Any vote where a single flag isn't an option will be considered null and void IMO. TJ Spyke 04:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, then the vote for anyone from the same country counts as 1. Duhman0009 04:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the All Icons idea, and now it actually doesn't look horrid. Comments, please. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the centered design. Duhman0009 05:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW guys, I tried something, what do you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Duhman0009/draft1 Duhman0009 04:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Not bad. But try taking out that space between the Flags of Peru and Japan, if you can find a different way of distinguishing where the first launch date ends and the second begins.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 04:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The first one in Scepia's (which is how the article looks now) is best IMO. I don't like the idea of adding in even more flags because that opens up the floodgates to add the flag of EVERY country where the Wii is releasing. Besides, why change a system that already works for video game related articles? TJ Spyke 05:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The places for release are NA, SA, AUS, NZ, IT, EUR, JAP, and SPA. All of them have a respective flagicon, except for NA and SA (NZ is combined into AUS). So really, if we had icon(s) or text for NA and SA we would be totally covered. However, when Ninty releases plans for all those other countries... Scepia 05:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The "All Icons" idea looks okay. Anyways, maybe this system needs some change. It seems unfair to have one country represent others, when it doesn't in any way. We should have everything equally represented, or that leaves the squeak of a non-neutral point of view.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 05:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Made some modifications 2 models: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Duhman0009/draft1 Duhman0009 05:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks okay, but...but I'm being overly critical about looks. I was thinking some sort of curly bracket thing (this thing-->}), with the countries on the left and the date on the right. Bah, we could just go with the "All Icons" thing at the sandbox.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 05:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't think the Info Box could hold 5 flags in a row with a release date next to it. Anyway, modified again (last time for tonight, going to sleep now) and I think that first one if the best. Even with 11 flags, it's still looks simple. Duhman0009 05:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please vote on the options everyone. I've included Duhman0009's versions in the sandbox. Scepia 05:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

So has no one even suggested

November 19, 2006

yet? (/me ducks). Could look less worse if someone just used Inkscape to cut the continents out of the full-world blank maps. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess nobody has mentioned this here, but there was a discussion about this subject on WP:CVG which has been archived here. You might consider some of the points raised there for this discussion. jaco♫plane 15:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

usb mouse and usb keyboard

will the wii support a mouse and keyboard?

We don't know.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 05:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I hope so, but thats the best I can do. ^_~ —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian Launch Titles

I'd just like to try confirm that Australia is getting the two System 3 titles - Gottlieb Pinball Classics and Super Fruit Fall. I'm trying to find a link at the moment, will post one if I find it. The only official confirmation I have at the moment is that my local EBgames has it on their pre-order list. Unofficial links:

http://www.wiichat.com/nintendo-wii-gaming/3814-australian-prices.html http://aussie-nintendo.com/?v=dates&sys=4

Could someone edit that for me? 138.130.216.18 07:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Although the Aussie-Nintendo website seems reliable, a forum like wiichat is not. If I were to change the Australian titles based on one site alone, some Stick in the Mud here might revert it back. If you can find something from GameSpot, IGN or anything else with a big name, I'll change it for sure. Duhman0009 15:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Those have both been in the list for the last 3 days. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 01:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

There are there, but it says NO for Australia. Duhman0009 04:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I already knew both of those things, they weren't really needed... doesn't matter anyway, I couldn't find anything using Gamespot, IGN, Nintendo of Australia's website (which usually doesn't have the correct information anyway) or many unknown unofficial sites. Changing it back to unknown would probably be the best thing to do as nothing has said otherwise. 138.130.216.18 07:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii is more important

Alright. Tell me, someone, why 3D Ant Attack, Breath of Fire, and Dreamfall are all rated of more importance than the Wii. Aren't video game consoles of high, or even top importance? It's not even medium. It's low - see Category:Low-importance computer and video game articles. Scepia 09:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

• See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wii#Categorization: because this has already been discussed.--Farquaadhnchmn 13:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't care that it's already been discussed! It is entirely senseless to call some unknown game of high-importance when Wii is low. It's not about being all goody and following the rules mommy gave you. If your goal is to follow the rules, you won't change much, will you? Scepia 16:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how 3D Ant Attack contributes a greater depth of knowledge than the Wii.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 16:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Importance in the real world is correlated at least somewhat by interest, and I can tell you that no one is interested in 3D Ant Attack. Millions are interested in Wii. Scepia 16:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There are quite a number of articles that are not rated correctly. The rating on Talk:3D Ant Attack should not have been high either, but should have been low, I've corrected it. If you disagree with a rating then the best thing to do is to raise it on CVG talk. jaco♫plane 17:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget the context -- importance is relative to the context. The Wii article is of low importance for Wikipedia 1.0 context, but of high importance within gaming context. So which one do we list on the CVG template (which does, after all, say "within gaming"?) --Stratadrake 18:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC).

By those standards, every CVG article would be of low or no importance. If you really wanna do that, feel free, but boy will you be chewed up. These consoles are at least mid-importance. The problem with the "in-gaming" rating is that the WP:1.0 equivalents aren't exactly known, or possible to decide without having inaccuracies. Scepia 19:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think part of the reason PS3 and Wii are Low is because neither are available yet and are still considered future products. TJ Spyke 20:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Guys, you will realize this is low importance to Wiki 1.0 because it's a current event. It is not yet history, and is daily undergoing change. How do you slap that on a CD? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 01:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

But like I said, the template says "withing gaming", and the Wii is certainly of high interest within that context, especially because it is a current event. That's why this confusion is coming up.

Nevermind, I'll just twak the cvgproj template to clarify that the "importance"" parameter is for WP1.0 context. --Stratadrake 16:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Italy price

The italy price Is 259€ [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.53.135.233 (talk • contribs)

Weird... The exact same site, on another page lists the price as 249. Scepia 16:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Italian newspaper La Stampa

Italian Videogame site

Other Italian Site:

[4] [5]

The Wii Homepage [6] have 8 December 2006 for relase date

It seems that the Italian Wii homepage only has info on the Eurozone launch, wheareas going in a little further to the site and to other sites like those mentioned, it's 259 on December 7. Perhaps due to the Immaculate Conception like the Spanish launch? Scepia 19:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Motive for the relase date: Immaculate Conception

Motive for the Price: IVA

For the price comparison table: VAT (IVA) in Italy for goods like Wii is 20%. See VAT at VAT Rates table.

Regarding the Flag debate

Sorry to post this here, but the previous topic we started is way to large. I've added something important on the Flag Debate Sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scepia/Wii_sandbox Duhman0009 21:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Would anyone else agree to a page archive

This discussion page is starting to be huge (last night's debate didn't help :P). Perhaps an archive is in order. Duhman0009 23:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

117 kilobytes? Seems archivable enough.--the ninth bright shiner ^talk 23:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we mention the kiosks?

Some EB Games or Gamestops have Wii demo kiosks up now.

Isn't that important to mention?

Not by itself, but we could do with a section on Nintendo's promotional efforts. They're making a big deal about the roadshows and the "hands-on" aspect. Sockatume 00:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I just used the kiosks (which need a valid driver license because the remote is wireless and they don't want you running away with it) at Gamestop and it is amazing... i think you should put somewhere that info for people. It was a great experience. i am going back to my mall for the sole purpose of playing it again. I played Excite Truck. AMAZING! ~Theareen~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.17.186 (talk • contribs)

Why? I'm glad you enjoyed it, but just about every console has demo kiosks out shortly before the system comes out. TJ Spyke 03:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a news site, it's an encyclopedia article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dprior (talk • contribs)

im just stating a reason to mention it

Wii-Remote

Well, I thought that I should add input that there are no images of the Wii-Remote present in the article. Since the Wii is primarily based on the Wii-Remote, I am also opinionated that the article should include a photograph of the Wii-Remote. Even the PlayStation 3 article includes an image of the SixAxis, and it looks identical to all other PlayStation controllers.

Good point 80.229.241.200 23:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I added an image. Scepia 01:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not that good of an image. No problem though, I already said (although it looks archived now) that I will take a picture of the Wii and everything inside when I get it at launch, and then upload them. I will release the pics into public domain and they can be used as the official pics since they will be free (and good quality) pics. TJ Spyke 01:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You might want to show the front and back like the current image, and make sure you use a background that we can tell what the controller is! Like black. Scepia 04:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It will be a brown backround, but it will be a clear image. TJ Spyke 04:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That's always photoshoppable if need be. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

wii built in sd memory

is the wii able to save gamecube games to its internal memory without the gamecube memory cards?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs)

Nope. GameCube games can only be saved to GameCube memory cards. When you play GameCube games the Wii basically turns into a GameCube (like the DS turns into a GBA when you play GBA games on it) and can't access things like the Wii's flash memory or SD cards. TJ Spyke 03:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

However, it has not been denied that you cannot transfer your NGC Memory Card content to Flash memory for save or storage keeping. This would be similar to transferring PSX memory blocks to a PS2 Memory Card for more storage. Duhman0009 18:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should pester IGN to check on their dev unit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sockatume (talk • contribs)

Need for Speed: Carbon

I am confused. Need for Speed: Carbon is said to be released on Nov. 17 in North America, per the game's page. However, it is not listed on the Wii launch section. I added it to the List of Wii games page, but I need to know if this is correct or not. Is the November 17 release date correct, and even if it is correct, does that qualify it as a launch title? Since the games releases 2 days before the Wii, I think it should be considered a launch title, because it will be available at launch. Scepia 04:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It IS listed in the launch section, and has been there for months. TJ Spyke 04:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Gamecube controller

hello there, is the gamecube controller compatible with the Wii? because i will certenly not like using the Wii remote. i hope the answer is yes because i am really excited about getting my hands on the Wii! also will it play ALL gamecube games? Touth 04:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes the Wii will play all GameCube games. Why get the Wii if you don't want to use the Wii Remote? The only games confirmed to let you use GC controllers are Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2. Some others let you use the Classic Controller (like The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy), but almost every games uses just the Wii Remote. TJ Spyke 04:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

TJ Spyke, the reason why i will not like the Wii remote is because you have to stand up and wave your arms about. i will start to look like a TOTAL LOON! also my parents will say WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU DOING? WHY ARE YOU FLAPPING YOUR ARMS ABOUT? you see? i be better off just using a controller. by the way, what do you mean the only games cofirmed to let you you (why did you put the word you twice?) GC games are Super Smash bros. Brawl and the other game? those two games are Wii games not gamecube games! did you mean those two games are the ONLY games that are compatible with the gamecube controller for the Wii? Touth 05:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC) phew... that is one LONG comment! hehe

Really, you don't think you look somewhat dorky playing video games in the first place? In any case, the whole point of the Wii really is the motion sensitive controller; why not just buy a gamecube if you want to play gamecube games? Those two that TJ Spyke gave were indeed the only confirmed Wii games to support the GCN controller. All Gamecube games should work (though again, a Gamecube is at least $150 less than a Wii). -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

i already have a gamecube but i just dont hardly play on it any more. well i WILL play on it when Zelda: Twilight Princess comes out! i am CERTENLY gonna buy that game. anyway i am not just intrested about playing gamecube games on the Wii i am also intrested in some of the Wii games like super smash bros. brawl,( THAT...GAME...LOOKS...AWSOME...DUDE!) and super mario galaxy. its just this Wii remote thats spoling it for me. Touth 05:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll give the Wii remote a second chance with Wii Sports. I also think when your mom says "What on Earth are you doing!?", you can reply "having fun. You should try it" and hand her a remote. The Wii is designed with adults in mind. too! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Chances are Super Mario Galaxy won't work without the Wiimote. Smash Bros. might be the only good game to do so. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You also don't have to stand up and flail like a loon, you can actually just flick your wrists to controll everything. Pick up a TV remote and move it a little with your wrist, that is all you really have to do to control games. All that other stuff is extra and if you really want to get into it (like how some people already flail a normal controller even though it doesn't do anything). Besides, i'm sure you will like it once you try it out. TJ Spyke 05:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

at least i have super smash bros. brawl that is compatible with the gamecube controller. i am happy to hear about that! also is Metroid Prime 3: corruption compatible with the gamecube controller too? (shame that super mario galaxy is not compatible. oh well) by the way, i would like to thank you guys for helping me out. many thanks! your the best! Touth 06:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No, MP3 uses the Wii Remote and Nunchuk (check out some of the videos to see how great it works). TJ Spyke 06:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

TJ spyke, what do you mean Nunchuk? is that just a little joke or a silly word you made up? LOl hehe Touth 06:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Nunchuk is the official name for the attachment to the Wii-mote that has an analog stick. Check out Wii Remote. Scepia 06:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Touth, I reccomend you read the Wii Remote page for detailed information on the Nunchuk. Also, I reccomend Wii.com with the Wii Experience videos. They show you the general concensus of how people new to the Wii play with the remote. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 06:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep in mind, probably 95% of games or more will just use the Wii-mote, not the GCN controller. No reason to get Wii if you won't use the control scheme. Scepia 06:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, you don't have to stand up, and you don't have to wave your arms about. 217.206.142.69 11:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Gamecube memory card?

Shouldn't the gamecube memory card be listed under "Storage"? I mean if even MASK-ROM is listed there, the gamecube memory card should be listed. --213.66.62.73 21:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 22:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Leaked Target Shipment Inventories

Added an external link to the target shipment info tracking website, per digg.com: http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/WII_Target_Inventories_now_on_Google_Maps Eugene a 00:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't seem significant to me. This is an encyclopedia, not a buying guide. --Maxamegalon2000 00:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that the inventory numbers were leaked could be notable, but not a finder. It ain't a game guide. Scepia 01:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii are not amused

by stupid vandalism. Keep out, PlayStation freak-o's. Chris

Technical Info on the Wii

Should the precise processor numbers be added, like at [7]? ... It has the Mhz of the processors and I thought that it would be worthy to add to the article— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.165.39.242 (talk • contribs)

No, it's already been agreed not to because those numbers cannout be verified. TJ Spyke 01:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe someone can post the additional specs, but include a comment such as "according to developers" or "according to IGN.com's reporters." What would be wrong with that? 69.86.135.171 13:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Because those numbers cannot be verified until the release of the system. We are only going to put confirmed information on the page.--Farquaadhnchmn_(Dungeon) 14:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

"The" issue, again

I thought the last round of Talkpage discussions on this matter seemed to prefer phrasing such as 'the' Wii, and 'the console'. But that still leaves the intro sentence -- "Wii" or the "Wii"? An alternative intro phrasing was "Wii is the name of...", but it never fails, lame reverts ensue over any edit to the intro. I know it's one of the reasons this article is on WP:LAME, but this is precisely what Talk pages are for, sillies. Don't revert without speaking up.

Lame or not, how about a quick poll on this subject? --Stratadrake 14:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• I prefer the Wii. It's the common naming convention when referring to other videogame console (even on Wikipedia; and don't stuff beans up your nose), and how a lot of people naturally refer to them things over time. It's the more common usage, and since this is article is not about a scientific subject, Wikipedia naming conventions would recommend the common name, i.e. optimizing for readers over editors. Nintendo's style guide recommends using it in declarative statements to take advantage of the similarity to "we", but that's a marketing scheme and they are about the only ones doing that. --Stratadrake 14:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• The Wii. Its proper english. but out with The console.Quatreryukami 16:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• My reasoning is that "Wii" is a pure proper noun, unlike "the WonderSwan" for example (which contains the common noun "swan"). There is also no reason to change "the console" to "the Wii" within the article. If editors choose to use "Wii" like a common noun, one might as well use actual common nouns (this also avoids having multiple instances of "Wii" within the same section). Just64helpin 17:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• I think historically it's always been "the" to refer to inanimate objects. For example "the pie" or "the Amiga" or "the 1800 Virgin Rail express service to Doncaster", so that's the version I'm backing. It's certainly in wide use [8]. Sockatume 17:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Sockatume, there are also items like "TiVo" (rather than "the TiVo") to consider. EDIT: Upon further reflection, I've noticed that "pie" is a common noun, "the Amiga" is a grouping, and "1800 Virgin Rail" is used as an adjective. (Hey, I notice things...) Just64helpin 18:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Then again "the NES", "the SNES", "the N64", "the GameCube", etc., can all be correct grammer. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 18:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• There's no need to check history or anything, any object can be used with The in front of it, doesn't matter if people used it or not for an object in particular. Let's not use pop culture as an excuse for bad grammar. Duhman0009 22:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Just64Helpin: can you please link me to a page showing that proper nouns containing common nouns are somehow grammatically different than "pure" proper nouns? Try this on for size: "John took Lisa to Taco Bell." Taco Bell is composed of two common nouns, yet John never took Lisa to the Taco Bell. If John and Lisa were playing their new video game system, they didn't play Wii; John and Lisa played the Wii, their Wii, or a Wii. Remember that the Wii is not a one-of-a-kind item: millions are being produced, and, more than likely, millions of people will be buying and playing the console. The former introduction "Wii is the name of..." is grammatically accurate (because "the name" modifies "Wii"), but it's an ugly phrase; the current introduction is also grammatically accurate and better follows the norm for introducing consoles in articles.

Example for comparison: Honda. "Honda" is a company; "A Honda" is a motor vehicle produced by said company. A person owning a Honda Accord is certainly not going to say "I own Honda" or "I own Accord", but "I own a Honda" or "I own an Accord". There's been no shortage of reverts over the issue of "the", but from the recent discussions (including two weeks from archive #17) there is either a unanimous consensus for using "the", or a lack of participation from the opposing side. --Stratadrake 02:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Man, I don't know what's more ironic; a French guy teaching basic English grammar to English folks, or that someone needs to teach basic grammar to people that wish to write something in an Encyclopedia.

Everything is a case by case scenario. It's not that you need to put The in front of everything, it's because you CAN put it depending on how you phrase it.

“What kind of car do I have? Well I have an Honda Civic.”

“Introducing THE Honda Civic”

“What am I doing? Well I'm playing Zelda on Wii”

“What is this machine you ask? Well that's THE Wii from Nintendo”

You see where I'm getting at? Duhman0009 03:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah... (and PS: who's the French guy?) --Stratadrake 03:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That would be me >_> Duhman0009 04:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

So as a summary, the debate is basically:

Arguments favoring the Wii

• Common English grammar (see examples above)
• Consistency with other Wikipedia articles

Arguments favoring Wii

• Nintendo.com's promotional campaign (i.e. 'Wii will change gaming forever')

If you think of other logical arguments you can add, feel free to add them to the summary. :::--Stratadrake 02:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• I don't want to seem like I've been picking on one thing in this article without making contributions; I have, in fact, been compiling a development history of the Wii, and I'll add it in the article when I have time. I would also recommend removing the launch titles table (at least by the time of the console's release) and "prosifying" the contents into a general "release" section. For example, you could mention that the console notably launched with Twilight Princess, a "Wii Series" line-up of games, Excite Truck, and a slew of Ubisoft games. The release section would also be a good place to discuss initial sales of the console. On an unrelated note, check out the newest GameSpot gameplay video for Twilight Princes (where the NoA guys are interviewed): it looks amazing! --Tristam 00:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• This is where THE Wii issue ends. [Youtube]. When declaring it as as the direct meaning to the sentance, it is "Wii".

“ ...How you will be playing Zelda this year on Wii. ”

However, when you're referencing to the Wii in a different respect, it's "The Wii"

“ So the Wii version of Twilight Princess... ”

I hope this helps clear up the issue. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

You are mistaken. The "the" in the latter statement refers to TP, not Wii. "The ____ version of TP" would always be correct. There is no doubting that. "_____ version of TP" is never correct. In that context they don't mean The Wii, the mean the Wii _____, in that the Wii has possession of something. If it had said "Twilight Princess for the Wii, you would have a valid argument, but they just say "the ____ version of TP", with Wii in the blank. Nintendo could not justify saying "So Wii version of TP..." It's not proper English and Ninty knows that. Scepia 05:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Man, how screwed is this world getting if we need to start talking about a game console like it was a living being just because the company that made it does? Duhman0009 05:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to defy everything and change every single instance to "the Wii", go ahead. I bet 5 seconds. Scepia 05:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Go back up and read a bit of my previous writting. That's enough reaping myself for one month >_>. Duhman0009 05:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Scepia, if you have a logical argument in favor of simply Wii over the Wii other than Nintendo's own marketing strategy, please say what it is. And don't forget, virtually every Wikipedia article on videogame hardware already refers to their subject as "the ____", why should the Wii article be treated any different? See my summary of arguments above. --Stratadrake 14:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Old Games

Hi, I have been told repeatedly that the Wii will somehow have access to libraries of old games. This seems pretty significant, so I was wondering if it shouldn't be mentioned in the article? GBMorris 23:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe you're referring to the Virtual Console and if I'm right, that's been in the articvle for months now. // Sasuke-kun27 23:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Launch Titles question

I know "Yes" means the game's going to be released on the launch day, "No" means the game's not going to be released or a couple more weeks/months from the launch date to be released. But what does "Unknown" means? ~~Tyrannoranger~~ 8 November 2006

If "yes" means that it will be a launch game and "no" means the exact opposite, it should be kind of obvious what "unknown" means. It means we don't know, at the moment, whether it's a launch game or not. // Sasuke-kun27 01:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

So that's what "Unknown" means. And as for "No", doesn't that mean you gotta wait for a couple more weeks/months after Wii's launch? User:TyrannoRanger 9 November 2006

Urine. Get over it.

Wee wee wee. C'mon, is it really neccessary to censor the truth because you are too old to talk about wee?

...ridiculed the name for its phonetic similarities to words in English and French.

Those are weasel words. Saying that implies that it is just a neutral connection, not a connection to a negative word like wee.

The truth is, people connected the word to urine and the like. I don't care what WP users did/didn't think about the name, but the truth is IGN, GameSpot, Joystiq, Engadget, really everyone outside of CNN mocked the name for the said meanings.

Denying the less serious phonetic similarities is immature in itself, and it gets WP nowhere. Scepia 05:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Every language has it's own joke with the name. Try making Oui and Wii sound different. I'd love to see how most you that are into PCs for a long time got use to saying Pentium and not 586. Duhman0009 05:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it's a joke, but it's not some weird blogger that created it. It was everywhere! There can be references to real-world jokes on WP. You wont get a 5-year-old alert. Scepia 06:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

OY!! Is this STILL being argued?? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 06:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a right to protest it Scepia 07:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I think certain editors heavily invest their time in protecting the Wii from any criticism. As Scepia stated, multiple reliable sources compared the console's name with slang for urine. The grammatical issue (above) takes precedence over the inclusion of something like this, so I really don't care about it. I'm just surprised that editors will skirt the issue by describing the criticism as "phonetic similarities" rather than coming right out and saying what those phonetic similarities are. The thing that most annoys me is a matter of principle: the editors never give rationale for excluding the mention of urine; most often it's always some B.S. like "it's childish, drop it," "are we STILL discussing this silly issue," or "this doesn't even need to be discussed." --Tristam 08:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The poll on archivepage #14 showed a 100% consensus for NOT mentioning the urine reference, which means that either nobody wants to hear it, or those who do didn't take any time to vote. Tristam is correct in that most of the arguments were little more than labelling it "utterly stupid", "ridiculous", "lame", "silly", "childish", or "bathroom humor" (and maybe it is); the only NPOV reasons given in the strawpoll were WP:NOR and WP:V (mentioned by The Viper), in that while many, many sources criticized the name, finding even one that specifically mentions urine is not so straightforward. And if it can't be verified, it can't be demonstrated as non-original research. --Stratadrake 14:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Vote for removal of Wii launch titles

I think this article should be cleaned up and the launch game sub category removed, perhaps a link out to a seperate wiki like the Ps3 (playstation 3) Remember this is an article, like an encylopedia, it shouldn't be used for promotional purposes or viral marketing.--64.231.255.85 10:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the launch titles do deserve their own page. Duhman0009 12:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Please don't create a separate page exclusively for List of Wii launch titles. If you really want, you can add it as a separate section in List of Wii games. However, I do agree that the list of launch titles needs to go. --Tristam 17:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

To be sure, List of Wii launch titles has its own article. If 64.231.255.85 is referring to a web page outside of Wikipedia, then fail to see how that would be relevant to this talk page. Just64helpin 18:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a page, Launch title, that has a list of known launch games for most game systems. The table should remain on the Wii page for now, and at least for a few weeks after launch, then maybe slim it down to just the North American launch titles. 19:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Linux Distribution

http://www.wiili.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#WiiLi_Information "WiiLi is a live Linux CD that makes the Nintendo Wii boot into a full Linux Desktop without the need of a mod chip or hardware modification."

That is nice, should it make the main page? Looks that it will be even better than the PS3 YellowDog. It also says that will play backup games...

I don't know about how notable that is, but at first glance I just have to think "O WiiLI?". Sorry if it's off-topic --Stratadrake 14:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hah. Actually, I think on topic. This is completely unfounded right now. From the page: "As you know the Nintendo Wii is heavily based on the Gamecube. It's very easy already to run Linux under a Gamecube so it should also work on the Nintendo Wii. While is not ready yet, it should see the light very soon." Yeah, all he has to do is break the copyright protection, find out how the hardware has changed from the Gamecube, compensate for said changes, and so on. It's non-news right now. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 20:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Tense changes

Is there any organized plan for the changing of future tense in regards to the article's subject? Many changes will have to be made to the article once the console is released. Just64helpin 17:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I have created a page here, with pages that will be affected by the Wii launch (in more than tense perhaps as well). I think it would be a good idea to organize something where each person gets, say, 3 or 4 articles to edit (depending on the number of participants) so that we can have up-to-date info within two hours or so. Scepia 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I, Linktriforce007, would like to update Virtual Console (Wii) if you would allow me to. Linktriforce007 21:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Why are you asking us? By all means, be bold! Get started. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 22:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

S/he's talking about when Wii is released. Reread Scepia's comments. — Jaxad0127 04:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It's he. And yes Jaxad0127 is absolutely right when he says I'm waiting for the Wii's launch. I have a Wii on preorder, and I will pick it up on Day 1 to provide you with the latest VC news, Linktriforce007 style. Linktriforce007 21:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Simply looking at the VC list on the console is original research. You have to cite other sources and their lists, not your own experience. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Battalion Wars 2: Launch Title?

Are you guys sure Battalion Wars 2 isn't going to be a launch title? If you go to wii.nintendo.com and click on "Take a sneak peek at the unprecedented Wii launch lineup" then you'll see BW2 in that list. Just so you know.