User talk:John from Idegon

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Town of Cary edits reverted

John,

You reverted my edits to the Town of Cary, NC page, indicating that the sources I cited for the corrections did not seem reliable and if they contradicted previous sources, consensus would need to be obtained.

The areas I corrected did not have any prior sources cited, so it is unclear where the incorrect data came from.

As for the sources I cited, Around and About Cary is known locally as the definitive history of Cary and is the "go-to" source for local historians, of which I am one. Cary Through the Years is a publication that includes research from the Town of Cary itself and local historians.

The government of the Town of Cary recognizes the incorporation date as April 3, 1871. Local historians agree that the list of mayors on the current page is incorrect (even having one person's name wrong). The sources cited are reliable, and the incorrect information that is there now cites no sources.

Can you please advise how I can ensure that these corrections can be "un-reverted"?

Thank you.

BrentInCary (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)Brent Miller

editing

The page on the town of Bingham, Maine, listed only one Notable Resident, the TV fisherman Gadabout Gaddis. This was amended by addition of a pastor named Macdougall, author of a dozen books about fishing in the Maine woods and remembered fondly by both Maine historians and wilderness fishermen (documented in two web sites.) The addition was reverted (cancelled) with no explanation. The Wikipedia editor was presumably not prejudiced against fishing, since he allowed Gadabout Gaddis. Perhaps he disliked church ministers, or the denomination to which Macdougall belonged; or perhaps he thought Bingham, Maine (population 900) does not deserve another Notable Resident.Carlsbad science (talk) 20:29, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Winnipeg Table Hockey League

Hi John, sorry to hear about your health issues. Hope you get well soon. You recently reverted my changes from the Winnipeg Table Hockey League. I read on their talk page that the use of promotional language should be removed and that they had too many references to links to their organization's own web site and finally not enough citations. So I removed what might be considered the "promotional language" in the lead paragraph as the rest of the article is good and also removed the 9 references to their website as well as added 2 more citations which lead me to remove the maintenance template. To my surprise my edits were reverted back in 27 minutes by you stating "Just different promo tone" which clearly it is not. Kind of discouraging being an newer editor on Wikipedia and this great community to find out your work is not seriously looked at when clearly the issues have been dealt with. Reverting it back to the old way kept all those issues and if we leave it with the new edits the article is improved:) Hope you reconsider and get back on your feet soon. Take care.Wikichamp3? (talk) 17:56, 2 November 2018 (UTC)Wikichamp3? (talk) 18:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)Wikichamp3? (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Please can you check this

Hi John, hope things are well, found this recently created school article, if you could check this would really appreciate it, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 05:16, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a cute essay. I'll clean it up a bit when I can. Surprised you've had time for general editing with all the back and forth on the infobox. I appreciate it, as I'd do better conjugating Thai verbs than figuring out the intricacies of template syntax. Wiki work has been limited lately (health still sucks), and Halloween to Christmas is very busy IRL for me. I appreciate all you do. John from Idegon (talk) 05:33, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much and I know haha, I've been really busy at the moment too, also decorating (you may have noticed/you'll see in my editing history I've been a bit stagnant lately) - the merge had to commence now, but squeezing in a bit of time here and then so I can contribute as much as I can to ensure the merge is a success (especially since I was the one that initiated the merger, don't want editors to think I've abandoned it). Hahaha, well I'm here scratching my head here and then to make sure I'm not getting anything wrong in the merger, sometimes when I'm writing something, I think "is that right, no maybe this, wait, better double check, hang on, might have to rewrite this again, ah.." Hoping you get better soon and this time of the year is very busy. I'm the same here, always grateful for your help, I've seen some of the work you do, what would Wikipedia and the WikiProject do without you; an exceptional editor Steven (Editor) (talk) 05:49, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Port St. Lucie in South Florida region?

I have opened a discussion in Talk:Port St. Lucie, Florida on whether Port St. Lucie is in the [[:South Florida]] region. Please join that discussion. - Donald Albury 13:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Portland Christian School

Can you please make the following changes according the the cited OSAA page where it incorrectly has the school as 3A when it should be 2A. Also referenced on the OSAA page as well is our school color Black. Thanks for your help.

Jay Jafriday (talk) 03:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are asking, but we go by sources only. If you say the school you attend is 2A and OSAA says it's 3A, the article is going to say 3A. That being said, feel free to make any edit based in reliable secondary sources you feel appropriate and add your source. See WP:Referencing for beginners for instructions. If you need further assistance, enquire at WP:TEAHOUSE. If anyone disagrees with an edit you've made, they will revert it. If you wish to contest that, see WP:BRD for how to proceed. Happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 04:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

CBHS Memphis

Why do you keep deleting the added information? This information was retrieved from the page's past prior to its deletion by a rival school vandal. Many of the information on the page has been properly cited. I would simply like to return the CBHS page to its historic norm. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:8502:19F0:9DEE:680A:9753:A11F (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Soar Valley College

Can I get your opinion on the recent edits at Soar Valley College? I don't often see teacher misconduct in school articles. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

That's an interesting pile of poo. Maybe I'm not seeing it right, because it is certainly very poorly written, but it looks like since there were ongoing issues with the single teacher involved and it received coverage in reliable widely circulated sources, it is likely appropriate content, just not as written. I've asked a British editor to take a look, and you should see my comments to him below. My health sucks lately, so I'm trying to limit myself to just US subjects and overhead work for the school project. BTW, Great Falls has kicked off again. Hope you, Mommy and your little sweetie are doing well. John from Idegon (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Up to my elbows in diapers and loving every minute. Hope your health improves soon! Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

So, has "uh, dad, not grandpa" become a common phrase for you yet? I must say that 50 times a week! John from Idegon (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank goodness Costco puts the adult diapers and baby diapers in the same aisle! Magnolia677 (talk) 00:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know what you think

Hi John, hope things are well. I've spent some time revamping the Infobox school documentation such as adding missing parameters, updating descriptions and cleaning the layout etc. I've also added flag icons for country-specific parameters to aid in differentiation (if this needs to be removed, do let me know as this can be easily done, or you can remove them). If you could have a look and let me know what you think; I'm one of those people that likes to make sure everything including presentation etc. is neat and tidy. Thank you so much Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:56, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on that. I've got time today, so I'll take a look soon. Let me say up front that I thought when it happened and still do that this whole thing was a bad idea, and the community would have been better served by going the other way, that is, unique infoboxes for all the major countries (US, Britain, Australia, Canada, India) and a generic one for everywhere else. Maybe that's something we can look at down the road.

Perhaps you could help on Magnolia677's request immediately above. A brief scan of the article revealed that it had much better earlier versions. It looks as though whatever the incident that now dominates the article was is significant enough to merit some coverage, but the ham-handed addition of info added on it is not clearly written and also obliterated considerable other good copy. If you can clarify the situation and give Magnolia assistance in fixing it, I'll be happy to moderate on the talk page if it gets contentious. Thanks. I'll get back to you in a couple hours on the infobox. John from Idegon (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you and I see, hmm, I think it’s a good idea to have one infobox, especially because majority of the parameters apply to every school. I do have a plan in mind: The first stage is to get the merge complete, the second stage is simplifying and consolidating - there are too many unnecessary parameters (e.g. r_head/rel_head, colors/school_colors, 6 free labels, I’d say maybe max 4 would be enough? 5 principal labels, possibly reduce? chair/chairman/chairperson - the latter two not needed as chair_label can be used to display this or anything else, and so on) and the proliferation of aliases/synonyms in the code (e.g. medium, mediums, medium of language and medium_of_languge which are all for the same parameter). There is an after-merge discussion on the talk page where this will also be discussed, but after all this is done, the infobox will be so much better. What you think?

Re above school, I’ve cleaned up the article, it’s infobox etc. and rephrased that added text and moved to Criticism section with its references cleaned up (reduced to two, we don’t need more than that do we?) Also noted in edit description that it may be removed. Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

It's gotta wait til tomorrow. I got caught up in a fast moving story about a town of 27,000 getting destroyed by a wildfire today, and I have to get to bed. (1am here). John from Idegon (talk) 08:07, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I ended up doing an all-nighter (not good) and went to bed after replying to you, didn't realise you had replied a few mins later haha. Just seen the news here, 27,000 forced to evacuate in California, dear me, not good Steven (Editor) (talk) 16:58, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Lanier Middle School Houston

Hey John,

As you can see on the link below, the school's website lists the name as "Katherine Bradarich"

https://www.houstonisd.org/domain/33261

Thanks for informing me about the sourcing policies by the way.

Akshay Kapur1 (talk) 05:06, 9 November 2018 (UTC) Akshay Kapur1 11.8.2018

The four tildes add your signature, Akshay Kapur1. There is no need to type your name and a date. This link refers to her as Katie. So, unless you want to dig for several other reliable secondary sources, it should not be changed, as lacking a consensus to change a piece of factual information with discrepant sources, the status quo remains. Especially since either is absolutely correct. Please do not waste other editor's time over something as trivial as this. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 05:23, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but the school district's page is a state education agency website, as the school district operates under the state's discretion. Unless you want to see the Texas Education Agency's website, where the exact same statistics are listed for this school, this is a valid source. (Here is the state website: https://txschools.org/schools/101912057/profile)

Akshay Kapur1 (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Final remarks

Hey John, I get you want your posts from users to be signed but was it really necessary to outright revert them for failing to do that, especially since he, which is actually my boss, didn't know about signing until I told him about it. As for me doing something useful, been doing that all day. It's called InternetArchiveBot, so I deserve a break at the end of the day. You may do whatever you want with this message, but I'm just trying to understand you better.—CYBERPOWER (Around) 01:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

There is no need for you to "understand" me or any other editor. This isn't a social club or dating site. I was wondering how a brand new editor managed to form such advanced markup, but your actions and words here clarify that considerably. I'm betting your boss asked how to make an archive link, you told him and you didn't bother to follow up on it or did a half-assed job of it leaving it for other editors to clean up after him. Your reinstatement of his edit here actually violated a guideline, whereas my removal of it didn't (not even BITE, as I did answer his question), and the fact you did it based on an external relationship you have also violates COI guidelines. Additionally, in the same vein, you're operating a bot that primarily adds links to a specific website, and the fact that your realworld boss chose for his first edit to add an archive link, brings about questions as to whether you have things you should be telling the community about. Irregardless, your relationship with your boss is not my concern, nor any other editor's, unless that is, you or he are engaging in COI editing. You are not the civility police, and the only purpose your edits served is to piss me off and bring your own motivation into question. I'll tell you the exact same thing I tell anyone who confuses my directness with incivility...if you have a problem with my behavior, ANI is =====> (that way). Otherwise, the door is in the opposite direction. Feel free to use it. There is no need to reply. John from Idegon (talk) 02:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

John from Idegon, since you like to be direct, which I actually admire, I will be just as direct. It speaks a lot more about you, how make assumptions from nothing. The edit here was made entirely on his own, and he only pointed me to it once you reverted him on that article and he asked me what he did wrong, and tried to find the question he posed to you missing. He used an external tool to make the edit so the markup was automatically generated. It was then I told him about signing his posts. I re-instated nothing. Do you see me reverting any edits here? I'm very well aware of the COI I have and so is the community and everyone else going to my user page. Never have I once violated them, or I would already have been on the chopping block. So just as I pissed you off, not my intention, you pissed him off. So no, I won't take you to ANI, and I'm not here to question your civility, but in the end you didn't help him, and I ended up having to explain what your post on his talk page was trying to say. I disclosed the details about my boss, in the interest of transparency, but since you don't care, I won't continue. And I'll say the same thing. If you have concerns about my motives or COI, ANI is in the exact same direction you pointed. I'll head out that door now. —CYBERPOWER (Around) 03:36, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

need help

hi, can you please help me edit the folowing article for publication: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Joan_Kelley_Walker&oldid=855467723

there seems to be problems with my sources RealityTVfanatic (talk) 09:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I have no interest in TV (don't even own one), biograhy, and very little in Canada. What would make you think I'd be interested in helping you? Other Wikipedians might be willing to help you with structural issues with your draft, but it is doubtful anyone will do research for you. John from Idegon (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit war at Stephen Paddock

You appear to be engaged in an edit war at Stephen Paddock. You have made two reverts today, I have made one. See WP:3RR. A consensus discussion was started on the talk page, which you ignored during your last revert. -- GreenC 03:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

See WP:NODEADLINE and WP:BRD, which you should note is not WP:BRRD. I'll respond when I have enough time to do the research to respond properly. John from Idegon (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Edits of Ithaca, New York

This edit is ridiculous. You have no knowledge of Ithaca, or apparent other interest in this page. You just want to delete stuff and then start firehosing Wikipedia rules. You people are why people get so frustrated editing Wikipedia. Amalex5 (talk) 04:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to let you know that the comments you left on my Talk Page weren't particularly meaningful to me at the time, but one week later, after failing to heed your advice, they suddenly have become meaningful.Tym Whittier (talk) 18:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

A toast sandwich for you!

I just found this button, have fun with a toast sandwich MilesPrower1992 (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Favor

Hi John from Idegon do can you please do me a Favor I will do something for you in return.96.36.68.29 (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You're going to need to be more specific before I can answer you. John from Idegon (talk) 00:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Baraboo High School

On the Baraboo, Wisconsin page, you said that if the Nazi salute controversy belonged anywhere, it was on the school's page, but then you also deleted it from the school's page. Any high school known for something infamous and nationwide, such as school shootings or events like this, are usually included on the schools' Wikipedia pages because it is notable. There were more almost 6,000 pageviews of the Baraboo High School page, and more than 6,000 on the Baraboo, Wisconsin page yesterday. We can wait until today's numbers come out, but I am willing to bet that there will be far more than 6,000 pageviews for November 13, judging as how the previous daily pageviews record was a mere 1,189 for the town, and only 32 for the high school. Those highs have ballooned by over 500 and almost 20000 percent. I think the controversy is notable enough. If not, please explain why, and I would be happy to listen.

KB11001 (talk) 00:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)