Talk:Windows 10

Free upgrade still works

Both ZDNet and Laptopmag.com are reporting that despite what Microsoft has said about the free upgrades, as of July 30, 2018 (the publication date of the Zdnet article) the free upgrade from Windows 7 and 8.1 still functions. Upgrading by using the Media Creation Tool results in an activated copy of Windows 10, as does activating a clean installation with a Windows 7 or 8.1 product key. I think this warrants a mention in the article. --Veikk0.ma 11:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Planned reorganization of Windows 10 articles

Hello all. Unless a compelling objection is offered here, in September I am going to start restructuring how we cover Windows 10 on Wikipedia so that it's more like our Mac OS X article series -- i.e. every feature update will have its own article. It has become clear over the last little while that "Windows 10" is now a brand like "Mac OS X", not a version of Windows like "Windows 8.1". You can see this in how Microsoft talks about their two operating systems as "Windows 10 and Windows Server".[1][2] It's also become pretty clear that there's nothing coming "after" Windows 10 in the foreseeable future. "Windows 10" is the new "Windows NT".

But that's not the only motivation -- this article is simply too large. Wikipedia's WP:SIZE guideline suggests 4,000-7,000 words, and this article is now at around 12,000 words (excluding references), and it's going to keep growing. Splitting out information about individual releases into their own article will substantially reduce this article's size, and give us a path forward for how we cover future releases of Windows 10. The macOS article does this successfully... it is still under 9,000 words despite there having been 14 (soon 15) releases of that OS.

So, short version of what I plan on doing: I will be creating a new article for every release of Windows 10, and each article will have its own list of new & removed features, reactions and criticism. The tables that are currently in Windows 10 version history will also be moved into those articles. Once those articles have all come together, I will take a hacksaw to this article, only retaining things that pertain to Windows 10 as a subject.

For those not familiar with my past work on Wikipedia, most of how we structure Windows articles on Wikipedia was devised by me for covering Windows Vista, which went through the same size problems due to the sheer amount of new stuff in that version of Windows. (I created {{Windows Vista}}, Features new to Windows Vista, and Development of Windows Vista... gosh, has it been 11 years already??) And sure, that structure worked nicely for XP, Vista, 7, and to an extent 8 and 8.1... but Windows has changed, and we have to change with it. — Warren. ‘ talk , 18:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Windows subsystem for Linux

An IP editor attempted to change

"Linux distributions for Windows Subsystem for Linux are obtained through Microsoft Store"

to

"Linux distributions for Windows Subsystem for Linux are obtained through Microsoft Store and can also be added through Windows Features option in PC Settings".

I declined the pending change because I couldn't find "PC Settings" on my Win10 box. I did find:

1. Start Button (icon on the lower left - is it still called the start button?)
2. Windows System (sub menu)
3. Control Panel (menu item opens window)
4. Programs (link opens window)
5. Turn Windows features on or off (link opens window)
6. Windows subsystem for Linux (check box)

That isn't really a Linux distributions, though, just the Windows subsystem for Linux. I did find:

• https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/ubuntu/9nblggh4msv6
• https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/debian-gnu-linux/9msvkqc78pk6
• https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/opensuse-leap-42/9njvjts82tjx
• https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/kali-linux/9pkr34tncv07

...but I did not find Slackware or Fedora, and I didn't find a list of all the Linux distros available on the Microsoft store.

So, should the above information be in the article? If so, how how best to convey it?

Also, the same IP added "Microsoft claims Edge to be the fastest Web Browser on Windows 10", which really needs a citation. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

On "Edge fastest", I Googled it and found "Tests suggest Edge is maybe not the fastest browser after all". Even with Edge fastest [currently or at some point] I wouldn't include it. A claim from Microsoft (only) is not good here. These things also get outdated fast, e.g. with Firefox Quantum, that came after [at least original Edge]. comp.arch (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Windows 10 Infobox info is wrong!

Windows 10 October 2018 Update which is said to be currently latest version in infobox is currently NOT latest in any way, and was pulled by Microsoft due to bugs. If you try to download the ISO of Windows 10, you will easily see it is now still the April 2018 version. So, infobox info is simply in error, if not misleading. Someone fix! What do you guys think about this? Can we add a small link with the "Microsoft pulled Oct 2018 update and will re-release it with fix(es) at some unknown time in the future"? Currently the infobox is plain wrong. Naki (talk) 11:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Features Removed - comment on versions

The Features Removed section has sub-sections for each major version. However if reading the article from the start the versions have not yet been described by this point, so this section is assuming reader knowledge. The Versions are described in a later section further down the article. Maybe the Features Removed section should be moved to an article on the history of Windows 10, as it will only get longer with each new release. John a s (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Propose "Microsoft Windows 10" instead of "Windows 10"

Articles for many other products (including software operating systems and applications) indicate a corporation or platform, as in "Adobe Acrobat", "Mac OS X", "Amazon Web Services", "AOL Instant Messenger", "IBM Selectric typewriter", and so on. I would like the article title and first reference in this article to be "Microsoft Windows 10". (Subsequent uses of the name could be kept in the shortened form of "Windows 10".) Pros, cons? 165.225.38.220 (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)