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My new favorite word for our massive overuse of color in templates. --Izno (talk) 04:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Shutting down references in the sl:s:Template:Infobox person

Would you know where to shut down references in the {{Infobox person}}? I would need this in sl.wikisource, where they are not needed (see sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe). --Janezdrilc (talk) 20:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Janezdrilc: Unfortunately, I don't speak Slovene, but I've tried to figure out where the references came from. As far as I can tell, the sl:s:Modul:Wikidata adds references by default when the formatStatements function is invoked. You can turn them off by supplying |references=false in that invocation.

(Step 1) That would need an edit to sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata and each of the derivatives: sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p106, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p109, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p18, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p19, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p20, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p27, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p569, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p570, and sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p856 to add a parameter like this: |references={{{references|}}}.

(Step 2) Once that is done, you would next edit sl:s:Predloga:Infopolje Oseba to add |references={{{references|}}} to each use of {{wikidata ...

(Step 3) Then you edit sl:s:Predloga:Avtor to add |references={{{references|}}} to the line below {{Infopolje Oseba.

(Step 4) Finally in a page like sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe, you can add |references=false in order to turn off references for that article.

Optionally, if you know that you want to turn off references for every instance of sl:s:Predloga:Infopolje Oseba, you just use |references=false in Step 2, and forget about steps 3 & 4.

Sorry that is complex, but that seems to be the chain of calls on Slovene Wikisource. Let me know if there's anything more I can do. --RexxS (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It works fantastic (I skipped step 3 and 4)! Still, places of birth and death are showing references (sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe). Is there something missing in sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p19 and sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p20? --Janezdrilc (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Janezdrilc: unfortunately, your version of sl:s:Modul:Wikidata doesn't actually suppress the references unless they are called via formatStatementDefault, which those templates don't use. There's also a problem that the module treats |parameter= (i.e. empty) as if it were false, but allows an omitted parameter to have a default value. In infoboxes |parameter= really needs to work the same as when parameter is omitted.

Anyway, I've made a modified version in sl:s:Modul:Wikidata/sandbox and briefly tested it by pasting {{#invoke:Wikidata/sandbox|formatStatements|property=p19|claim-module=Wikidata/Places|claim-function=formatPlaceWithQualifiers|value=|conjunction=, |plain=|references=false}} into sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe previewing it. Changing it to |references=true or |references= or omitting |references shows the references. There's still one linked superscript, but you can suppress that by setting |plain=true. See if that works for you. --RexxS (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I copied your sandbox version into the Module:Wikidata. Now the infobox doesn't show reference superscripts as wanted, but references appeared back again in the article. --Janezdrilc (talk) 14:07, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Janezdrilc: I created sl:s:Predloga:Avtor/peskovnik, sl:s:Predloga:Infopolje Oseba/peskovnik, sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p19peskovnik, and sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata/p20peskovnik. Each one calls the sandbox version of the others and eventually sl:s:Modul:Wikidata/sandbox. I haven't included sl:s:Predloga:Wikidata as it's not being called from sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe at present. Anyway, once I used sl:s:Predloga:Avtor/peskovnik in sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe, the references disappeared. It seems that the other calls rely on the difference in behaviour of parameters when they are empty and when omitted. Oh well. I've now restored the original behaviour of the parameter parsing and just implemented turning off references when |references=false. Check sl:s:Harriet Beecher Stowe now and perhaps try some others to see if the fix works everywhere. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

A huge thank you for your effort. It's so much better now I "dis-introduced" infobox references on sl.wikiquote too. Since only Wikipedia deals with biographic facts I supposed other sister projects really don't need this unnecessary "notes". Thanks again. --Janezdrilc (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Module:String2

Module:String2 has been nominated for merging with Module:String. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:14, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:URLWD

Module:URLWD has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:59, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Moar sigs

Hello big dino, assistance requested as usual! Bishonen wrote something to a user called @Levivich: and I noticed his fine broken-off sig, and copied for myself. Can be seen at the bottom of User:Bishonen/Sigs. With less rotation than original, because bish is longer than ich and perhaps might push down into the next line. Now the problem is I wanted to also insert iconic darwincolors, red and lime as in my current sig, but it got very complicated. Dino help? PS, bad people deleting dino's modules? Want me to wander over and bite them? darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 17:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC).

 Done can be changed easy. Small makeover remove naughty font tags before RedRose64 see them. People OK, just hard merge-module when admin delete it before merge happen. --T-RexxS (rawr) 18:18, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you helpful dino! Easy to change colors now — good thing, because red + lime turned out surprisingly ugly! I'm borrowing great zilla's color scheme instead, for now. Tried and tested, that. darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 19:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC).

Hehe, new sig activated! Pretty! darwin bish 21:41, 24 February 2019 (UTC).

Ahnentafel

Hi, any thoughts regarding use of {{Ahnentafel}} from an accessibility point of view? Especially for mobile reading and in a default collapsed state? I've seen someone using it a fair bit recently on Indian articles and have several issues with its use, of which a gut feeling about accessibility is one. - Sitush (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, hope you're well and not overdoing it! The template doesn't work for anyone using a screen reader, although it's okay on mobile as it's rendered uncollapsed. I've given a more detailed commentary at Talk:Bhagwant Das #Ancestry section. HTH --RexxS (talk) 21:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Even the scrolling was an issue on my mobile but that may be because of impatience. I've had 3 friends die on me in 4 days and am probably reeling a bit. - Sitush (talk) 21:33, 24 February 2019 (UTC)