Talk:Racial bias on Wikipedia

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Metapedia & British National Party

Some ties between Metapedia, the British National Party and Wikipedia [1]. Middayexpress (talk) 22:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm inclined to say that it's better they dedicate their efforts to writing POV articles about the BNP on an "encyclopedia" that no one but far-right loons read, rather than spending it trying to introduce that same POV into the Wikipedia article on the BNP. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The systemic racial bias that does exist among Wikipedia's editors is clearly pointed at White, Western peoples. EyePhoenix (talk) 23:09, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

I concur, and most of them from the United States.Senegambianamestudy (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

But certainly not ALL white, western peoples, not even those from the United States. HiLo48 (talk) 00:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Partial info

I am missing here statistical data on the (presumed) racial bias in WP: what is the percentage of "racial" articles, who are the contributors by race (Black, Yellow, White, otherwise), why we edit or do not edit, also grouped by race, etc.

Are there any WP:RS third-party articles that have studied these? Zezen (talk) 10:14, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

It appears that some people have not understood the difference between an under-representation caused by different proportion of interested individuals from a racial group and under-representation caused by hostility toward a racial group. I hope all kinds of people jump in and edit Wikipedia responsibly, but the lack of diversity among the editors is not automatically an evidence of animosity by existing editors. Pete unseth (talk) 17:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this common-sense argument, Pete unseth. Still, do we have hard RS data ? Zezen (talk) 17:54, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Absolute BS. Black people have been hounded from this project for years. Ganging up on certain Black editors, stalking, canvassing and leaving nasty comments about them on certain talk pages in an effort to discredit them are just some of the strategies used. When they raise concerns in the relevant noticeboards, they are ganged upon by the White Wiki Clique in order to diminish their concerns and ridicule them. I have watched countless of great Black and African editors hounded from the project by the White Wiki clique - most of whom are from North America. Even new Black or African editors interested in the project and pushed aside and driven off the project. Asking for a biased and dubious statistics in order to play down the issue is just silly. Many great editors who have been working on African and Black projects which I'm interested in have left the project because of what they had to endure thanks to the white Eurocentrics POV here. This has been my biggest headache here, because we have lost several great editors knowledgeable about the subjects I'm interested in. Senegambianamestudy (talk) —Preceding

undated comment added 20:48, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

You see if I come and say this is also my experience on Wiki then I am the Race pusher, and marginalize. It is all in our head. We all have a chip on our shoulder which White editors brush aside.--169.0.4.160 (talk) 08:18, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

You see, you'd like to contribute to an encyclopedia, yet Your English is substandard. This might be a part of the problem you see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.11.143.125 (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Want to create an article about that "White Wiki Clique"? This is a serious question. I would be interested to know who's in it. HiLo48 (talk) 01:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Purpose of this article

This page represents an (imperfect) equality of outcome approach, where the representation of each group in wikipedia articles should be proportional to their share in the society. That is, the problem - as stated - is that percentage of wikipedia content devoted to black people (in general) is smaller than the percentage of black people in some unspecified society (wiki users? world as a whole?).

Then, the problem statement leaves out exact definitions:

• what proportion is the defining factor here
• why other (non-black) groups of people are not represented here
• how exactly (if at all) is the "underrepresentation" measured

Then, it is not stated at all:

• why it is bad to have the certain groups of people underrepresented in wikipedia articles
• why the problem is one-sided, no opposing views are presented

Finally the "analysis" section does only the part that depends on the problem statement to be correct -- no analysis is made on whether the problem is real, who is affected and how.

I can see it going forward four ways:

• we describe the policies, content percentages and editor percentages (perhaps laying out the corresponding global population percentages), and let readers make their own minds on what and why
• we try to show what is the problem in "problematic" view of WP for certain groups (my take is that is it does not go along equality of outcome). IOW why people think WP is racist.
• you redefine the problem to actual intersectional oppression of WP editors, trying to push it even farther to the left
• nothing changes, we are left with this misleading stub

RS Why article is so light

It is hard to add any content to expand this article because there is a loop. Wikipedia is White dominant, African editors are pushed out. When they add ref reflecting either evidence of racism on wikipedia it is not a R.S. So we have a loop going. How do you write an article on Wikipedia about a problem with Wikipedia which is being accused of Racism? It creates a paradox. Esp when WIki policy on so-called RS marginalizes non-White publications, and content from independent sources. And all of this is moderated by the very people being accused of racism.--169.0.4.160 (talk) 08:16, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Here is a proper source, but guess what it fails Wiki Whites criteria. So all of this African opinions are marginalized as the opinions of crazy disgruntled editors . Keep it up. [Wiki is Racist in Full color https://medium.com/@kamy1/racist-wikipedia-da005c564d13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.4.160 (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Not at all sure how people can be certain about racism claims since most editors are anonymous. If some editors are truly being hostile, report them. We want Wikipedia to be open and welcoming. That is our aspiration, at least. Pete unseth (talk) 19:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)