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It may be advisable to cite sources on both sides of this question. That is, even if I could prove that the 1996 article was wrong, I would still cite it, and explicitly mention, in the footnote text, that it had been widely copied. Likewise, if I could prove that the earlier sources were wrong, I would explicitly cite one of them, etc. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 02:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC) |
It may be advisable to cite sources on both sides of this question. That is, even if I could prove that the 1996 article was wrong, I would still cite it, and explicitly mention, in the footnote text, that it had been widely copied. Likewise, if I could prove that the earlier sources were wrong, I would explicitly cite one of them, etc. [[User:Bruce leverett|Bruce leverett]] ([[User talk:Bruce leverett|talk]]) 02:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC) |
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James Barbagallo was seventh in 1982, NY wrote [https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/09/arts/tchaikovsky-piano-jury-gives-no-gold-medal.html about in 1982] as Donohoe did. Besides, as a witness I never found a wrong statement on the list of [https://www.classicalmusicnews.ru/tchaikovskycompetition/tchaikovsky-competition-laureates-jury/#1998piano ClassicalMudicNevs.rus]. --[[User:PaulasBunt|PaulasBunt]] ([[User talk:PaulasBunt|talk]]) 14:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC) |
James Barbagallo was seventh in 1982, NY wrote [https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/09/arts/tchaikovsky-piano-jury-gives-no-gold-medal.html about in 1982] as [https://tchaikovskycompetition.com/images/data/gallery/0_5101_Diary_of_Peter_Donohoe.pdf Donohoe in his diary] did. Is he Wrong - hardly imaginable. Besides, as a witness I never found a wrong statement on the list of [https://www.classicalmusicnews.ru/tchaikovskycompetition/tchaikovsky-competition-laureates-jury/#1998piano ClassicalMudicNevs.rus]. --[[User:PaulasBunt|PaulasBunt]] ([[User talk:PaulasBunt|talk]]) 14:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC) |
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My sources:
- General competition info and 2002 winners from Official page
- Most winners' names from New York Times articles
- http://www.vor.ru/century/1958m.html (and other years) - some clarifications
- http://english.pravda.ru/culture/2003/03/18/44560.html - clarification of when violinists started, 2002 count
- http://english.pravda.ru/culture/2002/06/07/29926.html - number of prizes and entrants in 2002
- Piano winners (not completely accurate) from http://www.lib.washington.edu/music/tchaikovsky.html
- http://www.vor.ru/English/tales/tales_018.html - has many vocal winners, though all data also found in NYT
- http://inkpot.com/concert/pf00lugan.html - clarifies that Lugansky won silver, not gold
- http://english.pravda.ru/culture/2001/10/16/18171.html - confirms that Klimov won in 1958; NYT focused almost entirely on Cliburn, barely mentioning that there was also a violin competition
There are several winners that are unclear and which I have consequently left out for now, as well as some I haven't found at all. I hope to clarify them with further research.
I have tried to put all names in "Western" order, family name last. When presented with varying spellings I chose the one that turned up more often in Google. Most names are unlinked; I only linked those that I had heard of.
Tualha 06:09, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)
Tchaikovsky Competition 2006?
What's the deal? Is there a competition this year, or what?
--AlkanSite 19:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Saradjian
Cello Competition - twice somebody has changed the winner to Vagram Saradjian. In 1970 Saradjian shared 4th prize as can be seen here on the Tchaikovsky Competition offical website:
http://www.xiiitc.ru/view.asp?history#85d898d8d04b4a45b1725f833e4893dc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auntiesbloomers (talk • contribs) 03:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Though this is not suprising given the wording of Saradjian's bio:
http://www.music.uh.edu/people/saradjian.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auntiesbloomers (talk • contribs) 03:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
First prize issues
First prize (always to be awarded) is 20,000 Euro ... - well, that's rubbish (my highlighting). There are many examples where the first prize was NOT awarded.
Also, John Ogdon's article is now saying he and Vladimir Ashkenazy did not share first prize but were given separate first prizes. That seems loopy to me. There is only one possible first place, but it can be shared. Comments? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 20:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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Main part of the article needs updating
It looks like the first couple of paragraphs are written in the context of 2011. This article could use some work so that it does not appear to be out of date with successive competitions, as there was one in 2015, and will be one in 2019. If I get a chance I will try to add more information that is about the competition in general and not based on a specific year. --Fifthcoastbobcat (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
1982 piano competition.
Well I'll be darned. The 1982 New York Times article is pretty clear about how the piano competition came out, but the 1996 New York Times obituary is just as clear. I would be interested to know how we got from 1982 to 1996, but in the mean time, what can one do except to assume that 1996 is correct. It might be helpful to add a citation of the obituary, as well as the citation of the page from the "Bach Cantatas Website". Bruce leverett (talk) 15:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
The Russian Wiki article about this competition has Kozawa in third place, with Barbagallo in seventh, as in the earlier NYT article. Also, this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYAEZq1bAdE gives a list of prize winners at the end, agreeing with the earlier NYT article.
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James Barbagallo was seventh in 1982, NY wrote about in 1982 as Donohoe in his diary did. Is he Wrong - hardly imaginable. Besides, as a witness I never found a wrong statement on the list of ClassicalMudicNevs.rus. --PaulasBunt (talk) 14:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
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