Talk:Global University Systems

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Of the thirteen references, only one is a press release from the company. The remaining references are 5 from the Times Higher Education, 1 from The Guardian, 1 from the Financial Times, 1 from Haaretz, 1 from the Irish Times, and 3 from The Pie (Professionals in International Education). I can't see how the tag {{Third party sources}} applies. Ronz, if you have no objections, I intend to remove it. I'd also like your comments on the applicability of the other tags you placed on the article: {{Cleanup-PR}} and {{COI}}. While MenoPorsche is pretty clearly an employee of Global University Systems, his contribution to this article has been negligible. I am the principal author of this article which is a result of my clean up of extensive COI on several other related articles which had been heavily edited/created by employees of GUS and/or its subsidiaries. For background, see Talk:London School of Business and Finance/Archive 1#Clean up, Talk:London College of Contemporary Arts#Serious notability issues, Talk:London College of Contemporary Arts#Updates, and the extensive discussions at Talk:University of Law/Archive 1#Sourcing and NPOV problems (and succeeding sections there). The purpose of this article was not to advertise the company but to make clear that GUS is for-profit and that all the institutions it owns are now for-profit and are subsidiaries of this company, not "academic partners" of each other. GUS consistently attempts to obfuscate the true relationship between them, both on their websites and in their press-releases. Voceditenore (talk) 07:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

And as I said at Talk:London School of Business and Finance#Clean up, thanks very much for this. Doug Weller talk 12:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the changes. Much better. I've removed the COI tag given your statement.

The second-to-last paragraph, with the reference from thepienews.com , seems to be a poorly sourced announcement. --Ronz (talk) 16:08, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, the source, The Pie (Professionals in International Education), is actually quite reliable in my view, and if you read the article, it is quite critical of the company, not simply a regurgitated press release. I've also updated that paragraph to indicate that the 2016 planned restructuring does not appear to have happened yet and the reasons for the restructuring. Voceditenore (talk) 17:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the continued improvements. Much better.

I read the article three times now, and don't see what you are claiming of it.

I also looked into the publisher a bit, and it seems they are a recruiter and consulting company. I looked at a few of the articles by the same author, and to me they look like warmed-over press releases.

I agree that the reasons for the restructuring are noteworthy. The announcement of restructuring itself, as you've indicated, seems to be damage control by the company. --Ronz (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Placement of Information

Hello everyone,

I am employed by Global University Systems (GUS). I would like to extend a hand to the Wikipedia community in an effort to help improve this page and ensure that relevant, noteworthy and correct (sourced) information is present. My Conflict of Interest is that I am an employee of GUS - I seek to be fully compliant with the COI policies and hope to work with all editors for the improvement of the page.

I am requesting that Toronto School of Management be moved from the end of the 'Principle Subsidiaries" list and be moved to the "Canada" section within the list.

This would be a correction in the placement of information as the school currently seems to be attached to the bottom of the "United Kingdom" section. This would thus improve the article.

With thanks - MrAttempt (talk) 08:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done  spintendo  11:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Etingen - British Citizen

Hello everyone,

I am employed by Global University Systems (GUS). I would like to extend a hand to the Wikipedia community in an effort to help improve this page and ensure that relevant, noteworthy and correct (sourced) information is present. My Conflict of Interest is that I am an employee of GUS (please see my Talk Page for all COIs). I seek to be fully compliant with all COI policies and hope to work with all editors for the improvement of the page.

The edit I am requesting is to update the page with the correct and relevant information as to Etingen's citizenship.

Can the 3rd sentence of the introduction please be correctly updated as follows (or simply including the basic essential point):

"GUS was founded in its present form and name in 2013 by Russian-born British entrepreneur Aaron Etingen (also known as Arkady Etingen), who serves as chairman, CEO, and majority stockholder."

If the matter of Etingen being Russian-born is relevant to the page, then it correlates that his British citizenship should also be present.

This fact can be sourced to the following article: https://www.globaluniversitysystems.com/news/education-investor-global-magazine-features-gus-founder-aaron-etingen-in-its-march-%E2%80%9917-edition. (Unfortunately, the online version of this article does not exist, and this is a written-copy of the article text onto the GUS website. However - I believe this may be sufficient evidence as a claim by GUS as to Etingen's British citizenship.) This is from a printed version of Education Investor Global (March 2017, vol 9 - No 2, pg 42 - 45).

I am asking for this edit as I believe that this is a necessary update to the page, qualifying the presence of the "Russian-born" inclusion, and adding relevant, non-promotional information that helps inform the article with sourced evidence.

All advice from Editors is appreciated.

With thanks - MrAttempt (talk) 10:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE - An additional source can be found via: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07933838/officers. This states Etingen's nationalist as British.

With thanks - MrAttempt (talk) 10:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

One reference mentions Arkady and the other reference mentions Aaron, but it would appear that never the twain shall meet as neither reference in turn mentions the other name. I would defer to Voceditenore's expertise, as they know more about this article than I do.  spintendo  11:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and add "British" per the Companies House reference and this article from Times Higher Education which states that he is known by both names. Voceditenore (talk) 11:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Update: I didn't have to add the Times Higher Education source as the existing reference from The Guardian in that sentence states that he is known by both names. I've added only the Companies House reference. Note that the lead now simply states Aaron Etingen is the founder, CEO, and majority shareholder. However his alternative name + the fact that he is a Russian-born British entrepreneur is now in the first sentence of the "History" section. And, yes MrAttempt, the background of the company's founder, CEO, and majority shareholder is highly relevant, especially in the absence of a WP article about him. Voceditenore (talk) 11:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 12:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Berlin School of Business and Innovation (BSBI)

Good afternoon,

I am employed by Global University Systems (GUS) and this is my Conflict of Interest (please see my Talk Page for all COIs).

I am requesting that "Berlin School of Business and Innovation- (established 2018)" be added beneath the 'Germany' heading of the 'Principle subsidiaries' section.

This can be sourced to: http://www.educationinvestor.co.uk/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=7315&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

With thanks - MrAttempt (talk) 16:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

It's already there with a reference and has been for several days. Please check the article carefully before requesting additions. Voceditenore (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Please excuse my mistake here, I had been viewing a previous version in error. With thanks - MrAttempt (talk) 08:44, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Pro tip, MrAttempt: To purge a page's server cache, click the "Edit" tab at the top. The resulting URL will look like this (using Global University Systems as an example):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_University_Systems&action=edit

At the very end of that URL, replace edit with purge and hit return. This confirmation page will appear (titled with whatever page you are trying to purge). Click the Yes button on the confirmation page and the cached page will purge to show its latest version. Voceditenore (talk) 10:23, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks @Voceditenore: - MrAttempt (talk) 10:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Correct Address

Good afternoon,

I am employed by Global University Systems (GUS) and this is my Conflict of Interest (please see my Talk Page for all COIs).

I am requesting that the address in the info-box be updated to the following:

"Tower H, 5th Floor WTC Amsterdam, Zuidplein 36 1077 XV Amsterdam The Netherlands"

This can be sourced to the GUS website (scroll to the bottom: https://globaluniversitysystems.com/contact

With thanks - MrAttempt (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

YAddress updated  Spintendo  17:11, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Removal of WhiteHat as a subsidiary

I have removed the following which was recently added to the list of UK subsidiaries:

• WhiteHat (firm run by Euan Blair promoting apprenticeships)

References

a. The Daily Mail is generally not considered a suitable source for referencing Wikipedia articles.

b. Whitehat is not a subsidiary of GUS. GUS owns a minority stake in Blair's business, contrary to the claim of 90% in the 2016 Daily Mail article.

c. The 2018 accounts in Companies House show that Euan Blair owns 7500 shares in White Hat Ltd. while GUS owns 2500 [1]. Voceditenore (talk) 09:26, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Further subsidiaries

Good afternoon,

I am employed by Global University Systems (GUS); my Conflict of Interest (please see my Talk Page for all COIs).

I am requesting the addition of one more subsidiary to the 'Principal subsidiaries' section. This is:

Edology.com

Can this please be added to the United Kingdom section?

All advice and input by Editors is appreciated: MrAttempt (talk) 13:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC)