Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Page mover

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User:Shrike

• Shrike (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Same as Nableezy above I am active on WP:ARBPIA topic area and want to add edit notices.I meet all the requirements had no blocks since 2012 --Shrike (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC) Shrike (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 00:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Dmehus

• Dmehus (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

In terms of the basic requirements for WP:Page mover permissions, as a Wikipedian since January 2004 whose first contributions to Wikipedia were adding the first paragraph(s) to the Jean Chretien and Anne McLellan post-political life sections, I have had various periods of wikibreaks followed by two or more years of semi-active and heavily active service. Notable page moves and merges I have either completed or initiated discussions for have included Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency-->Impact Assessment Agency (Canada) and National Energy Board-->Canadian Energy Regulator (stayed due to low consensus as it was viewed by the sole objector as potentially too soon, but as more mass media articles and books adopt the new name, it should be consistent with WP:CommonName). At the same time, consistent with WP:BRD, I initiated a page move discussion to revert a move of IHeartRadio Canada-->Bell Media Radio, for which consensus was achieved and a non-involved editor or administrator closed the successful page move discussion. I also merged the ultra-stub-class Motus Bank page into Meridian Credit Union in a manner consistent with WP:BRD and WP:CORPDEPTH. When it was reverted, I accepted that, and was actually planning on initiating a discussion except that User:Piotrus, as a non-involved editor, initiated that process. The process is currently proceeding and consensus seems to be favouring WP:Merge, with roughly 95% in favour of either Merge or Delete and a slight preference for Merge.

In terms of AfD, I've been particularly active in this area in the past year, initiating nearly two dozen AfDs and commenting, questioning, and voting on as many more. Doug Mehus (talk) 22:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

 Automated comment This user has 895 total edits. — MusikBot ^talk 22:20, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@MusikBot:'s automated comment, in my above explanation, I was going by Special:Contributions/Dmehus log, but did note afterward what the bot had submitted in an automated fashion from the wikistats. Still, I would note my contributions through the Talk pages, AfD processes, page moves, and RfCs are still contributions that are useful nonetheless and the granting guidelines are just that. I would welcome further feedback or questions. Doug Mehus (talk) 22:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done, fails minimum editing criteria. No significant indication of need either. Primefac (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Primefac:, wondering if you might re-consider your decision as I would argue there's definitely the need given my demonstrated experience in both nominating and performing page moves and merges, and for my demonstrated willingness to continue assisting with that. While I may fail the minimum mainspace edits, my edits have been numerous outside of that mainspace, particularly in Talk page and AfD process discussions. It is just a guideline, so when you combine all of that and my user tenure, it's clear that I understand the process. Doug Mehus (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done In deference to your tenure, if not your edit count, I looked a little deeper, and I will underscore my "not done" with another one. Nearly half of your move log contains pages that were moved back as problematic, such as Nick Frost and Canadian Tire Financial Services. There are concerns expressed on your talk page about canvassing people to your RMs, and your participation in RMs is about 50/50 with respect to agreeing with the outcome. In other words, the initial decline was more-or-less procedural, but now even if you had the edit count it would be declined.

As a minor note, AFD has almost nothing to do with this right, so while it's great you're getting experience there it gives no demonstration of need. Please continue editing and gaining experience, and come back when you meet the edit count and can demonstrate a need for this permission, the latter of which will hopefully demonstrate you have overcome some of the concerns I mentioned above. Primefac (talk) 01:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Primefac:, with regard to your above comments, can you confirm that this not done decision was done without prejudice for future evaluation? To address your further findings, Canadian Tire Financial Services I'd moved the page before discussing it, not realizing this was discouraged. With regard to the other, one user pointed out to me that my canvassing for one move was discouraged, a practice I immediately curtailed as I was unaware. With regard to my thinking on how Page Mover permissions would be useful for AfD, the thinking here is that I could assist with non-admin closures where clear consensus is for a merge, redirect/retarget, or move. Hope that helps understand my thinking. I was inspired by editor Nate when performed a non-admin closure re: my CTBC Bank (Canada) page move. --Doug Mehus (talk) 15:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

There's no prejudice against asking again once you've met the minimum criteria. You're welcome to close AFDs if you feel like doing so, but again PGM isn't really needed for mergers, redirects, or retargeting. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I am confused. I thought Page move function was granted to anyone who had an account for one or two months...? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:44, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Piotrus: the ability to move pages is different than this permission. This allows you to move pages without a redirect among other abilities. Page moving is granted with WP:CONFIRM. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:00, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. I guess WP:RM technical section is sufficient for me and I'd advise anyone who asks to consider how often they need this tool (I use RM#T maybe few times a year, and I am very active...). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

This is pretty much where the "discretionary reasons" comes from in the guidelines - basically it asks if the user is regularly needing to go to an admin to perform technical moves that would otherwise not be possible as a regular user. A few times a year would fall into the "normal" category, a few times a month might garner consideration for this right. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Krj373

• Krj373 (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Been on here along time. Take longish breaks every once and a while. Am familiar with the page move function. Have made requests to have pages moved. Have moved pages and had to request for delete(redirect).

Unfortunately I do not meet the edit count. Thanks for your time. Krj373^{*(talk), *(contrib)} 21:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done; no demonstrated need: only one article-space move, no WP:RM or WP:RM/TR-related edits. Primefac (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Primefac. Though I don't disagree with your decision. I will disagree with the lack of requests for a move. I looked for them before hand and could not find ether. Time flies and memory fades.

As for need: I can't argue much other than I was granted roll back without meeting conditions and because of that I was granted pending changes.

So I am asking for your grace.

Krj373 (talk) 04:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)