Talk:Delhi

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Ummm... with Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore and soon to be Kolkata featured metros, should Delhi be left behind? Need someone to take the lead. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Just give me a week. My exams get over within a week and then I can start working on this article. --Incman|वार्ता 15:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Have no fear, Incman's here! =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep! Then we shall have a Featured Topic! That will be great.--Dwaipayanc 20:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

New Delhi

If Delhi is to be made a featured article, New Delhi can be pushed too. One would just need to leverge content from Delhi to New Delhi and make it more specific. New Delhi basically needs expansion on

• History after 1912
• Municipal setup
• Geography and layout

It would be one of the easiest Indian FAs to author. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you think should be tried? Delhi or New Delhi? Is New Delhi a separate city? What is basically the city and the metropolitan areas (is there any distinction, like Mumbai and Kolkata)?--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Nichalp that once Delhi is complete, we can start pushing New Delhi. We just have ot be sure that we have enough statistics on New Delhi separately and we are able to establish its identity from Delhi. As Delhi is likely to be the Collaboration of the Week article as well as its more comprehensive currently, we should finish it first. As far as the question of Featured Topic is concerned, the Delhi article says its the metropolis and New Delhi says its a part of metropolis. But [1] says that New Delhi is the metropolis. We should clear this doubt first before trying to push for a "Metros of India" Featured Topic. BTW, all articles are not necessary to be featured to be selected as part of Featured Topic. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Delhi should be done first. Content from Delhi will be leveraged to New Delhi. It should not take more than two days to write a FA for New Delhi. As far as the the disambig between Delhi and New Delhi goes: Manorama Yearbook 2003 states that: the NCT consists of the census towns of New Delhi, Delhi and Delhi Cantonment, along with 214 villages. Our main worry now is to decide on the territorial boundaries of the article. (PS Ambuj: that author of the Rediff article is ignorant on the diffence between Delhi and New Delhi). This is New Delhi. It's an urban district. I'm being optimistic, but we can get NCT featured too! =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

So what's the decision as of now? National Capital Region (India) is the Delhi's metropolitan area of Delhi. NCR is again almost same as NCT. So, I think "Delhi" encompasses nearly everything. However, there will be some problems. For example, population, area data etc. Please decide how to approach. I think, as the article claims, the article Delhi is regarding the metropolis of Delhi (which is NCR, that is almost same as NCT!!). So we should go for Delhi first, then re-use material for New Delhi later, and also, NCT, if necessary. Regards. --Dwaipayan (talk) 06:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The most neutral would be to limit the scope to the area as governed by the Delhi Municipal Corporation. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Well.. mixing up Delhi with the National Capital Territory of Delhi makes sense. But I think there is a clear distinction between Delhi and NCR. NCR includes Gurgaon, NOIDA, Faridabad and Ghaziabad which lie outside NCT. The combined population of these satellite cities is a million plus. So NCR is not the same as NCT. In my opinion, this article should talk about the National Capital Territory of Delhi and not of the Delhi metropolitan area (aka NCR). New Delhi, on the other hand, is just an urban area within the NCT. Similar to Worli or Juhu in Mumbai. We can also take help from articles on Washington D.C. and Canberra, as these regions are similar to Delhi (or NCT) in administrative setup. Cheers --Incman|वार्ता 20:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration

OK, now that its Indian Collaboration of the Week, it's our chance to raise this article to FA status. It's obvious (I think) that we should focus our efforts on making this article better the standard set by Kolkata. That raises some simply points:

• The lead-in is too long, needs compressing a bit.
• Creation of History of Delhi and compressing of history section.
• Prosify geography section so that there is generally more info and less dot points.
• Expansion in all of the remaining sections.
• CITATION, heavily required considering all the tags lying around.

I might not be able to help for the next 2/3 days, but I'll be there in the last few days of collaboration. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, just read the To-do list, missed it somehow. Anyway, the points mentioned above apart form expansion should be first priority. It's better to first perfect what we have, before adding other things that may end up having their own issues. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

However, I think we better expand Culture, Utility services etc. We have to remove tourism, Entertainment etc anyway (those do not conform to the Wikiproject Indian Cities). Materials from these sections may be incorporated elsewhere.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Delhi

History of Indian indepence movement, history during 1950-1980s, and 1990s missing. 700-1500 may be slightly decreased.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Lead image

I dont think the lotus house image is the image I would use as the lead image. Maybe something like red fort or india gate image would be a better candidate. Also keep in mind that their are too many images in the article right now and some will have to be dropped (Ganga plain image is rather boring). --Blacksun 14:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by boring? In my opinion, encyclopedic articles are not meant for entertainment only. They should be informative too. The image gives a visual description of Delhi and its surrounding areas' geography. I am sorry, but I was not able to find a better image for the geography section. Generally, an image depicting the skyline of the downtown area is used as the lead image. --Incman|वार्ता 21:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

FA status

Well, I think the article is prepared for a Peer Review. Any suggestions?? --Incman|वार्ता 22:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you give a citation for the origin of the name? ramit 07:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I tried my best finding an appropriate citation but couldn't. I think the user who wrote this section might help us out. Is there any other concern you have with the article? --Incman|वार्ता 01:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, trying to give my views where applicable:

• Are you sure of three municipal corporations. delhigovt.nic.in lists only 2: MCD/ NDMC. There are three indeed: http://delhigovt.nic.in/muniserv.asp
• sixth most populous appears twice in the same para
• Not sure of the grammar of "Delhi registers as one of the fastest growing cities in Asia"
• It would be good to cite a source for "Archaeological evidence suggests that Indraprastha once stood where the Old Fort is today"
• Maybe related to above point: history section mentions that Purana Qila was built by Shershah Suri but culture section mentions it as a 5th century BC fortress
• "Every year, the heat wave in summer claims several lives in Delhi" - does this need a source? A cursory search on Google didnt give me any numbers.
• "most visited Vaishnavite temple in the world, Birla Mandir". I would have thought it was Vaishno Devi...
• "Prime Minister of India addresses the nation on Delhi Fort" - is Red fort also known as Delhi fort?
• "lit traditional lamps" - should this be light traditional lamps?
• Shopping section needs to be more wikified?
• Transport - Should Ring Road Be changed to Mahatma Gandhi Road?
• "million in middle schools, while 1.31 million students were enrolled in secondary schools" - Arent middle and secondary schools the same?
• " New Delhi Television (NDTV) is among the largest television media networks in India" - Needs citation?
• "Hindustan Times, with over a million copies in circulation, is the single largest English daily in Delhi." TOI claims it is the largest.
• "Hindi-daily Dainik Bhaskar is by far the most popular newspaper" - needs citation
• "A major reason for the popularity of print media in Delhi is the lack of electronic media" - Not sure about this statement. Which electronic media does Delhi lack?
• Utlities: Power theft needs a mention?
• "Delhi government invested 149.2 billion INR in the city's energy sector" - needs citation?
• External links need to be debated. e.g. Should Akshardham temple be there? Yellow pages: can we have better ones such as Infomedia or Just Dial etc.
• Should we move this conversation to the Indian cities project page, so that we could get more feedback? ramit 09:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and copyedit.

• The metropolis of Delhi (aka NCT) is the sixth most populous metropolis in the world while the agglomeration of Delhi (aka NCR) is the sixth most populous agglomeration in the world. It is a matter of coincidence.
• I don't see anything wrong in the grammar. However, it is not a very well phrased sentence. Will make changes to it.
• Don't know much about Delhi's history. Will work on it.
• Contradictory. Hmm..
• Presisely. Since I couldn't get any numbers, had to write many people are killed due to heat waves. Included an article as a source which says people are killed due to heat wave in northern India which includes Delhi. Hope that works.
• Vaishno Devi is more to do with Shaktism. Birla Mandir is devoted to Lord Vishnu while Vaishno Devi is devoted to Goddess Durga.
• See Red Fort. The one in Agra (which apparently is more popular) is known as Red Fort too. So to avoid confusion, the one in Delhi is referred to as Delhi Fort.
• I think lit lamps is correct. However, light lamps sounds correct too. Anything is fine with me.
• Will work on it. The last couple of sentences are messed up.
• No. Ring Road is a more popular name than MG Road. Besides, the economic survey of Delhi calls it Ring Road.
• The economic survey of Delhi classifies schools in Delhi into three categories, primary, middle and secondary. Lets stick to offical classifications.
• Done.
• Well I need a source for that. Its a matter of dispute. HT claims to be the largest on its official site. TOI made such a claim couple of years ago but after the dispute, it has refrained from making such claims.
• Will work on it.
• Its not that Delhi lacks electronic media, but its a well proven fact that relatively print media is more popular than electronic media in Delhi. A reason why newspapers and magazines are still so popular in Delhi.
• Good point. Will work on it.
• See the source given before. Every data in that para is taken from Economic Survey of Delhi.
• External links, See also and Categories need some work. Will remove Akshardham as an external link.

Thanks for the feedback. If you are not satisfied with my replies, then you may take your queries to Indian cities project page to get more feedback. Cheers :) --Incman|वार्ता 18:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Delhi

There is absolutely no reason to have two seperate articles on Delhi and National Capital Territory of Delhi. Delhi was first a union territory in India and later on after the commencement of the 69th amendment to the Indian constitution, Delhi was given a status of a National Capital Territory. As one can notice, most of the content of the National Capital Territory of Delhi is similar to that of the Delhi article. --Deepak|वार्ता 05:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Good point. Following the examples set by other federal capital cities, there seems to be some variation as to whether the city is treated as the same as the subnational entity where it is situated and whether one article is redirected to the other. For example, Washington is indistinguishable from the District of Columbia (the city, though not the entire conurbation) and so here in Wikipedia they both share the same entry. The same goes for Buenos Aires and Kuala Lumpur (no separate entry for the district, because its limits are coterminous with those of the city). The following federal capital cities which are physically and administratively not identical to their respective federal capital districts or territories, have their own entries in WP:

• Federal Capital Territory, Nigeria separate from the city of Abuja
• Australian Capital Territory separate from the city of Canberra
• Venezuelan Capital District separate from the city of Caracas
• Mexican Federal District separate from the city of Mexico
• Brazilian Federal District separate from the city of Brasília

--Big Adamsky 14:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The city of Delhi as such lies entirely in Delhi and what lies outside are regarded as satellite towns; not a part of the city of Delhi. There is a clear line between the metropolis of Delhi which lies within the NCT and the agglomeration of Delhi which lies in three states. Besides, according to the economic survey of Delhi, only 10% of Delhi's pop is rural. This means that the city of Delhi covers most part of the NCT. Hence, both the NCT and the metropolis of Delhi deserve the same article. --Incman|वार्ता 05:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Deepak. NCT could just exist as a category and not as an article. ramit 07:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Some quick points:

1. NCT is not a state. It is a unique administrative area jointly administered by the Union and NCT government.
2. The metropolis of Delhi lies entirely in NCT. What lies outside NCT are known as satellite towns of Delhi. Please see the difference between a metropolis and agglomeration.
3. According to the Economic survey of Delhi, 90% of NCT's population is urban (i.e. 90% of the population lives in the city of Delhi).
4. The 69th ammendment to the Indian constituion says that Delhi's official name now is National Capital Territory of Delhi. The name Delhi itself signifies the NCT. There is no other meaning, officially and practically, of Delhi. So Delhi is nothing but the NCT (same as the case with Washington D.C. and District of Columbia). The articles on both NCT and Delhi will have to merged. As one can clearly notice, most of the content in the National Capital Territory of Delhi article is the same as the Delhi article. --Incman|वार्ता 18:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

This article failed to become a good article as there are no references stated. Cheung1303 03:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you missed the "References" section. Need a pair of eyeglasses? --61.246.75.39 19:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I will add, this article failed on the account of the merger. Till this is resolved please renominate. Lincher 15:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Map of India is wrong....

Please make sure that Arunachal Pradesh is shown as a state of India which it is. It is as stupid as showing California as disputed terrotory with Mexico...:).

Delhi is a state and not a Union Territory. Pls make the correction

The Constitution of India regards Delhi as a special Union Territory. It is not a state. --Incman|वार्ता 14:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Delhi was a union territory. But now it is a state

External Links

Hi, I had put the link to Delhilive.com in the external links categories which was removed from the page. I beleive I added the link in the right category of the site consifering the fact that the site encoruages people to contribute and share information. Please let me know if someone thinks otherwise and why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manuj 78 (talk • contribs)

Hi, please go through Wikipedia:External Links. We only link to sites that add value to the article in question. Other external links are generally discouraged -- Lost^(talk) 13:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The objective of wikipedia article on delhi is to provide a summarised, unbiased view for Delhi mostly for people interested in travelling to it. Whereas the objective of my site is to cover daily issues of delhi in a constructive way encouraging discussion. That is why the site has sections for history, culture as well as sections for upcoming events, news as well as having a comic strip on the front page of the site which takes a comic view of the issues affecting delhiites. Wikiepdia on the other hand is an international portal which has guidelines in place for providing an unbiased view. my site on the other hand aims to give delhiites the ability to express their view democratically, without caring for being unbiased. For all these above reasons I believe that link for delhilive.com should be included in the external links category for Wike Delhi and New Delhi

I generally don't think it's wise to include links to commercial sites unless they are referenced in the article or provide relevant information that for some reason cannot be summarized in the article. There would be so many companies wanting free advertising from Wikipedia. There are search engines for people looking for sites dealing with Delhi. An encyclopedia should not be serving as a web directory. -- Dieresis 13:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)