Talk:Mona Eltahawy

She self-describes as Muslim

Earlier someone removed the desciptor "Muslim" from this article with the edit summary "her website doesn't state that she is Muslim". That's true, however during her recent Doha Debates appearance she repeatedly prefaced her comments with "As an Arab and as a Muslim, I...". The transcript of the debate is available online and linked from her website, so if at some point someone again describes her as Muslim in this article, I think it can be left in. Babajobu 10:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen any mention of this, so I'd like to see a credible source first. Shabeki (talk) 07:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be fair to mention that many (I want to say most but I didn't take a poll) would call her a Kuffar كافر based on a lot of her views and behavior. Meaning that many in that community might say she is an ex-muslim that still claims the label. It could also be said that she uses the word Muslim as a self description in an ethnic sense rather than a religious one. But Islam is a religion not an ethnicity so I guess that would be a new thing. But at the same time like you said, she self describes as Muslim so I think both seem appropriate if used in a neutral manner.

GhostsOfGironde (talk) 09:06, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Citizenship

In her own words, Mona Eltahawy wrote in a 2001 Women's eNews article:

"Let's start with my country, Egypt. I am married to an American who has started the process of applying for my citizenship in this country. I cannot do the same for my husband in Egypt."

— Zerida 06:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

"Has started the process of applying" does not equal "citizen". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by138.88.144.157 (talk • contribs).12 March 2006 (UTC)

The article was written five years ago. The evidence clearly suggests she is an American. Unless you have concrete evidence she is not, post it, otherwise it stays. Notice we've just reached the 3-edit rule, after which I will have to report it. — Zerida 21:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The affirmative burden is yours. Further, a husband does not apply for US citizenship (hence "started the process"), a husband applies for permanent residence, from which the individual after 3 years (if still married) or 5, then MAY apply on his or her own for US citizenship. This is not claimed. Furhter, as a practical matter, such a process, assuming it takes place, stretches out over more years than 5 because of the normal bureaucratic delay.

In any event, she never has claimed US citizenship and the burden is on YOU to verify it (there are ways). Because of the hall-monitor threat, I will await 15 days for you to prove by public evidence, then I will revert. I also could insert the "factual accuracy is questioned" thing, but fortunately, I dont know how.

Please verify an assetion beyond suggestion or implication. US citizenship is like pregnancy, one is not "a little bit pregnant" ; one is not a suggested a citizen.

PPS -- The three-edit or three revert rule does not apply to biography of living persons. PS - She also referred to Egypt as "my country" not the USA.

Dispute of American claim (burden is on claimant to prove); note also subject's description in current Al Sharq al Awsqt -- "Mona Eltahawy (www.monaeltahawy.com) is a New York-based *Egyptian* columnist. She wrote this commentary for THE DAILY STAR."

Update

In an email correspondence with Ms. Eltahawy dated March 13, 2006, she writes:

"...I have no problem whatsoever being described as Egyptian American - particularly because I do understand the need to highlight our growing community. A writer in Canada recently described me as Egyptian American when he quoted something I wrote. So in a nutshell, I have no problem being described as Egyptian American [...] On Saturday [March 18, 2006], I will be speaking at the Egyptian American Alliance for Youth - so I'm taking steps towards that hyphenated title! Thank you for your interest in my work and my views."

Case closed! — Zerida 23:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Although she does not claim to be one, in fact she says the opposite -- "I'm taking steps towards that hyphenated title!" (I am taking steps towards being pregnant means NOT pregnant) -- and she has no problem with the designation, *I* raise no further objection. But case is not technically closed if others raise it as an objective point. -- anon

Remove her Designation as Journalist

Eltahawy was arrested in a blatant act of vandalism against a poster and a photographer. She wasn't there to cover the story, she was there to spray paint the poster red.

Supposedly a journalist, in a very public act of activism.

She should be classified as Anti-Israel Activist not a "journalist". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.194.29 (talk) 22:58, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. This person is not a journalist; in fact, I'm not sure why she even has a wikipedia page. Run of the mill attention-starved activist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.221.136 (talk) 04:12, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

She has appeared on numerous news outlets and reported for several journalistic organizations. She is a journalist. Just because she was arrested for spray-painting graffiti on a controversial ad set up by Pamela Geller, a noted and much-discredited anti-Muslim bigot, does not discredit Ms. Eltahawy. Many journalists have been arrested for numerous crimes where they involved themselves in a story. I still remember Geraldo Rivera getting into a fistfight with a member of the KKK. Since the American Freedom Defense Initiative (which created the ad) is an umbrella group for Stop Islamization Of America, a very notable hate group, I don't find Ms. Eltahawy's actions (however inappropriate as they were) discrediting her as a journalist. If they are, then Geraldo Rivera is not a journalist either. If anything, I see the anti-Eltahawy comments here (which aren't even appropriate for a wikipedia talk page) as telling of the some peoples' pro-Israel bias. Shabeki (talk) 07:54, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

She is a journalist lol we have to defend her; Pamela Geller is a racist bigot Nlivataye (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

She is both in my opinion and most people that give the arrest incident a fair shake when looking at the evidence will see that this is almost certainly activism rather than journalism. I was looking into changing the occupation to include both but wasn't sure how to source it. As far as Israel I wouldn't say she is "Anti-Israel" ab initio. If you look at her comments over time, they seem to be basically opportunistic. Israel is the 'opiate of the masses' when it comes to Egypt and then the poster is countering radical Islam when saying "Support Israel, Defeat Jihad" and she is against that even though the poster is trying to push back on the influence of people she is pushing back against in Egypt ie. Muslim Brotherhood. Its just a convenience thing.

GhostsOfGironde (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

page protection

thank you Ekabhishek - and i just had to say that the increased vandalism is due, well, to vandalism (hers).... Soosim (talk) 17:13, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

poster

reading the ayn rand quote "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man." didn't seem as incendiary .. only when the visual image is seen the connection is made and it becomes clear why mona had to step up (http://egnorance.blogspot.ch/2012/09/in-any-war-between-civilized-man-and.html) .. especially when the implied meaning comes into place to deliberately call one population civilized vs savage, then the whole becomes so racist -- especially the civilized part when anyone knows how similar the situation to apartheid has become unfortuantely.

thinking more about the quote .. the real question becomes, what do we define as civilized and what as savage. for example in the European imperialist behavior invading the Americas, the indigenous people could be very well seen as the civilized where as the warring invaders as the savage. --72.10.168.91 (talk) 09:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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African-American

I've reverted "African-American Muslims" back to "American Muslims" as this is not typical WP usage for Egyptian people. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:20, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Books and Works

She recently published another book in 2019. Proposed edit: In September of 2019, Eltahawy released her second book, The Seven Necessary Sins for Women and Girls.