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Hi This is my updated talk page, to post a new question kindly Do it here, After i think the query is resolved, i usually clear it off to clean up the space for new queries, kindly check the history to retrieve any old queries.

Edits on Zeyan Shafiq

Hi Dear TheAafi, Kohlrabi Pickle, Hope you’re safe and doing good. Since i am barred from editing on Zeyan Shafiq article due to (COI) and i can only suggest to improve, wanted to let you know that i have read about a new entity that has been formed under the name “Stalwart Freestyle” entity. As far as my research this is around 3-4 months old collaboration, but i read about it on a news article yesterday so thought of sharing it with you about the same, The news portion reads as:

“The two groups, though separated by a border, have now established a new entity called Stalwart Freestyle after the gaming communities in India and Pakistan lauded them for the collaboration.”

Link: (https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/774708-exciting-framework-is-in-the-offing-for-e-sports-fawad-chaudhry)

I feel like this is an addition to Stalwart Esports section in Zeyan Shafiq Can be added as: Stalwart Esports has formed a new entity in pakistan region which operates by the name “Stalwart Freestyle”.

I might be completely wrong, so kindly have a look by yourself to see if this fits in. I’m making sure all the subjects that I research on are updated and have all required information available. Also if anyone among you would like to contribute for Schools in Kashmir articles, kindly let me know.

Thanks.Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 00:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hums4r. Editors with a COI are not barred from editing articles. I have a COI with Robert Goff, Baron Goff of Chieveley, but I eventually brought it to Featured Article status, and the neutrality of my editing was never called into question. COI editing is merely strongly discouraged. See WP:COIEDIT. I think that if you are editing competently and neutrally, that it should not be a problem for you to edit Zeyan Shafiq. Issues arise when editors with a COI try to push particular points of view, or give undue weight to particular features. In my view, you can continue editing, but I would encourage you to have another editor check your edits for neutrality and update the box I had added at the top of the Zeyan Shafiq talk page. TheAafi, do you disagree?
I also thought I'd mention that you might want to archive your talk page rather than blank it. Completely up to you of course, but archiving is more conventional. See Help:Archiving a talk page. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kohlrabi Pickle i do understand that i am not barred but since this is a COI to me due to my mistakes, i have completely cut ties with the subject, I don’t want to add any kind of information that might ruin my image in the community, since it was a article researched by me, i want to contribute to it for the sake of knowledge, because after all we have to keep updating things with latest revisions, also I’d like to tag admin Fences and windows so that they could give me an idea on whether if i could edit it or not. I really don’t want to make a single move without getting proper permissions from experienced editors,admins. Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 01:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, please use the {{request edit}} template as suggested at WP:COIEDIT. You can place this on the talk page. I'm working on a different set of articles related to Singaporean politics at the moment, and I'm not able to help with this one right now, but perhaps some other interested editor will see your message and help. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To improve your chances of the edit being published, you may want to draft it yourself and then suggest it as an edit on the talk page. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 01:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kohlrabi Pickle Noted, i have posted the same on COIN page and i visited TheAafi's user page and noticed that he is having some examination and has taken a break from wikipedia so i don't think he will be able to edit, so maybe you can have a look at the same and do the required edits if possible. Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 03:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

January 2021

Dear Hums4r, Thanks for your contributions to the English Wikipedia. I see you are contributing at a much faster rate. Hope you will contribute more in the future. I have noticed that you are adding your own work (image) to the Wikipedia article, Banihal by removing the old one. The image you are adding is not suitable for this article. It doesn't give us the complete details of Banihal as the old one gives. In the old image, we can see mountains, houses and roads of Banihal whereas in your new one we can see only green colored mountains. We can see houses, etc in your new image. I think old image is better than your new one. Yes, you may add your image to the geography section of Banihal. But bear in mind you can't remove other editors contribution by adding your own one. Thank you. Happy editing! – TheHornbill (talk) 05:17, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheHornbill, Hi Dear, Thank you very much for the appreciation. i am extremely sorry for the mistake of removing it. i had talked to a admin regarding updating my own pictures on wikipedia and he had told me that i can update pictures if they're good, since my picture was of a latest date i had updated it and replaced from old picture. i am extremely sorry for this. i will make sure i never repeat this again until i have a picture that depicts the subject properly then the old one. Thanks,Wishing you a good day/night ahead. Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 05:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's fine. Your works are good but the matter is that does they depict the subject properly or not. Hope you will contribute more and more in the future. TheHornbill (talk) 05:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TheHornbill, thanks very much. appreciate it. will definitely follow all these advices. Thanks.Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 05:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And one more thing, the proper way of signing your comment is not to write directly like this:
Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 05:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC).

Rather sign your comments simply adding four tidles (~) at the end of your comment. Thenk you. Happy editing. Enjoy Sheen! – TheHornbill (talk) 05:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, TheHornbill. Hums4r, when I said "Sometimes users get over-attached to their own photographs and put them into inappropriate articles or replace other good photos with their own", this was the kind of situation I was advising you to avoid. Fences&Windows 13:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Fences and windows, i have understood that, won’t be repeating it again. Also kindly check my issue with the suggested edit thing, I’ve tagged you need help on that.

thanks Hums4r (Let's Talk) 13:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RoySmith, I’m blocked.

Hi Dear, RoySmith, you earlier posted a SPI investigation on my talk page and later removed it after you noticed that i had apologised for it earlier and it was a mistake since i was new to wikipedia, i still regret it. After that I’ve never ever done anything else which violated wiki’s policies, but i couldn’t understand why did you block me from editing, I completely respect your decision but can you kindly give me an idea why did i get blocked. Thanks.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 01:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear RoySmith, I completely understand, indeed rules are rules, i have made mistake and i should be held guilty and punished for it. Can i kindly request for unblock to be able to post on talk pages, since I can’t edit directly due to block, i would like to request for unblock only for talk pages, because i will do the research in this week also and i would like to contribute to the talk page till then. Thanks.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 03:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Pelagic, Regarding Edit.

Hi dear Pelagic, first of all thanks for your response on Zeyan Shafiq talk page, i have been blocked for a week(due to a sock puppetry issue which i did when i was new) so I can’t make any edits or reply to you on Article Talk Pages. The edit that you have suggested is definitely far better than mine version, I am trying to learn and thank you again for giving me more idea on how should i be drafting it next time, since it was my research, so wanted to give you complete information as you haven’t mentioned the date there.

The Stalwart Freestyle Entity was formed in December 2020. You can add this and complete the information. Maybe like this:

“In December 2020, Shafiq continued the cross-border collaboration with Freestyle owner Abdul Haseeb, together forming Stalwart Freestyle.”

Thanks.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 03:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds okay, does the source say December? I thought maybe I'd overlooked something. I’ll put in December, but if it's only based on your first-hand knowledge it could be challenged and removed.
Regarding your block, I’ll take you at your word that you were just naively using your friend User:Zeyan's login and not running a duplicate account for bad purposes. (I work in IT and see users in our organisation sharing passwords even though we tell them not to.) Yes, sharing accounts does happen; now you know some of the problems that can result. I hope you find some sympathy for your unblock request, but you'll probably have to wait out the week. On the bright side, the article about Zeyan actually seems to be in reasonable shape!
While you’re waiting, you could step out and take some photos. Are there Kashmiri flora or landmarks that need extra pictures? I assume you’re only blocked on English Wikipedia, not Commons, so you can still upload photos. Pelagic ( messages ) – (17:13 Sat 23, AEDT) 06:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pelagic Can you kindly confirm if you’ve received my response so that you can close that question on the talk page. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 05:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, I was in the middle of replying simultaneously. Pelagic ( messages ) – (17:15 Sat 23, AEDT) 06:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear i was editing with this reply., Pelagic as you have replaced earlier version with “he donated his competition slot to freestyle”, i think it might be incorrect because as per news, he didn’t donate the slot, when the pubg game was banned in india he signed players from pakistan’s freestyle team to play for him under his slot, and then later in december he decided to start a entity under the name Stalwart Freestyle. Perhaps this article will give you a good idea about it. (https://afkgaming.com/articles/mobileesports/News/5138-stalwart-esports-signs-freestyle-to-play-pmpl-after-pubg-mobile-ban)

Oh, I see. I got a different impression from the Vice article. Have changed the wording and added the AFK ref. I hope the phrasing is more correct now. Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:17 Sat 23, AEDT) 10:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed i am a photographer and i have already uploaded a lot of pictures, i will work on wikimedia for these days and upload pictures of kashmir. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 06:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Also you are absolutely correct on the sharing accounts thing, i have earlier apologised to it and i was new back then, i will make sure it never happens again. My only reason to edit this article is to make it look good because it is my first article. So I don’t want to put in incorrect information for the readers. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 06:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also Pelagic, as per to the source in Vice news article, the entity “Stalwart Freestyle” has formed in december 2020, And according to the afkgaming article the players were signed for the competition in October, (So basically players were signed in october for just the tournament and then his organisation Stalwart Esports decided to stay in pakistan region and thus created “Stalwart Freestyle” as far as i can think. Rest you can give a better opinion since you’re much experienced to me. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 06:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pelagic:, these are bit unsorted replies, to understand check the replies after you wrote “ Hehe, I was in the middle of replying simultaneously”. I’ve written all the replies after that only. Thanks. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 07:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, I can follow what you’re saying. Best wishes, Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:17 Sat 23, AEDT) 10:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pelagic:, it was really nice to talk and discuss with you, since i had researched on this topic I didn’t wanted that there should be wrong information on the article so that’s why i asked you to update it and obviously since because i am blocked haha I can’t do changes. Even though being very senior to me on wikipedia, you talked very nicely and you are very humble. I respect your time and efforts, thank you very much. Have a good night ahead. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 11:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Gateway of Gulmarg

Hello Hums4r, your comments would be more than welcome on this question. Thanks! - Kamil Ali Bhat (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stalwart Esports moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Stalwart Esports, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Darren-M talk 18:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dear Darren-M, can you kindly give me an idea of what are the other reliable sources for an esport organisation in india or anywhere in the world, i have attached a reference to all the words mentioned there, the page was reviewed by John_B123 few minutes back, also i have completely followed the style as there is in other wikipedia article's related to esports, the majority of esport article's don't even have a a major reliable source, i would request you to kindly look at it again. I've been typing for the article since past 5-6 hours and it really feels very bad like this. Thanks Hums4r (Let's Talk) 18:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hums4r. There are two main aspects needing to be addressed to help get this moved back into article space:
1) We need to see significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The sources you have used talk in detail about eSports, but they have only passing coverage of Stalwart Esports. We need to see news articles where almost all of the article is about Stalwart Esports.
2) I can see you have disclosed a conflict of interest on your user page, relating to Zeyan Shafiq. From a quick look, it seems that this individual is or was affiliated with Stalwart Esports so you should also declare a conflict of interest relating to this company. We discourage individuals from creating articles straight into article space if they have a conflict of interest, so it should go through the draft process.
I hope all that makes sense; but let me know if you have any further questions. Best, Darren-M talk 18:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also Darren-M, i don't have any COI with this as you have mentioned in the edit summary. why is it that anything i do comes under COI? i don't even make any edits to that earlier page anymore. if i think i have to suggest anything, i post it on the talk page, you being an admin could have reviewed the page and told me the mistakes. it really hurts after you make so much efforts and then you are being labelled as COI. no one in india wants to write on esports, and if someone is doing you're making him regret it. kindly tell me if all these references are not reliable how come do we have so many articles with totally no reference at all. i hope you understand my point.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 18:32, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just to confirm - I'm not an administrator; I'm simply an editor with an interest in new articles. Your userpage shows that you have declared a conflict of interest with Zeyan Shafiq. The lead of that article shows he is the founder of Stalwart Esports. If you have a conflict of interest with Zeyan Shafiq, I don't see how it's possible that you wouldn't have one with Stalwart Esports.
I understand it is frustrating, but if users with conflicts of interest create articles directly in article space it causes us serious problems - it's incredibly difficult to write neutrally about a topic that you feel strongly about or have a relationship or other COI with. That's why we ask for these sorts of articles to go through the draft & articles for creation process, so that an uninvolved editor can check that the articles meet our requirements. This isn't something that is specifically about you, and I hope you understand why we think it is important. Darren-M talk 18:53, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Darren-M, Kindly check my posts in the related talk pages like wiki project video games or wiki project esports, i have posted the same. my only reason to do this article was because when i was researching on my first article(Zeyan Shafiq) i have read a lot of news regarding stalwart esports as well. and then i read about other indian esport organisation's as well but i was unable to find even a single indian esport article and then i posted about it but no one replied so i thought of looking at few other esport articles and i tried to make it like them, trust me i can send you so many articles who don't have even more then 2 references but they are still article's, i hope i am not being discriminated because i have worked hard for this one and this is very discouraging, i appreciate all your efforts but you can tell me where the mistakes are so that i can look into them but you directly moved it away. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 18:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Lots of articles exist that don't meet our requirements, yes. We need to fix that problem, but in the meantime we shouldn't be adding to it.
    As I said above, there aren't enough sources present in the article that cover Stalwart Esports in detail - they are either about the genre in general, or have a passing mention at most. Best, Darren-M talk 18:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hums4r, integrate this source and this source. I think the article would be acceptable at that point. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:49, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • dear Darren-M , just take out 5 minutes and check the references, out of 16 references around 10-12 references have full article on stalwart esports only and the rest have other details like statistics. i do appreciate whatsoever you're saying but this article has plenty of reliable sources as per GNG/RS. i don't know why you're unable to check. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 19:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hums4r: I appreciate that finding reliable sources on Indian eSports topics is difficult and note that you have improved the references since the article was draftified. However I think they could still do with improving.

@Darren-M: Draftifying the article was inappropriate. Per WP:DRAFTIFY:

"an unreviewed page may be moved to draft if:

  1. the topic has some potential merit, and
  2. the article does not meet the required standard, and
  3. there is no evidence of active improvement.
  4. or when the author clearly has a conflict of interest (per WP:COIEDIT)."

Looking at the first three, all of which must be true, the page history shows the article was still being worked on. In the COI situation the pertinent word is clearly. This is further clarified in WP:DRAFTIFY:

"4a. The article has some merit but is written with a promotional tone that makes it clear that the author has a conflict of interest with the topic"

This is not the case here. --John B123 (talk) 20:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear John B123, you can certainly remove anything that might sound as promotional but i swear that i have written everything from my NPOV, it might have sounded promotional but i never intended to do it, i am still learning to write, and this was my second attempt and I believe that i have certainly improved a lot, I’d really appreciate if you take out few minutes to look at the article to remove the promotional toned part and review it, because i have worked hard on this since morning, and now it feels like my hard work is wasted. Kindly help out if possible. Also regarding the reliable sources thing, you can certainly check that stalwart esports has major articles in these sources and (sportskeeda) and (afkgaming) are india’s major esport coverage agencies you can visit their website to confirm by your own, also if these aren’t considered as reliable sources then all these major esport organisations in india will never be approved on Wikipedia because only these media agencies cover them widely. Thanks.i will wait for ur response. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 20:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there has been any suggestion that the article is promotional, the issues have been over the referencing. There is a list of reliable sources for this subject at WP:GAMESOURCES. I see you have asked at WT:VG about sources, hopefully somebody will give you some guidance there. --John B123 (talk) 20:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Waripora Bangil

Hi Hums4r, could you please share your thoughts here. –KamilAli 17:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kamilalibhat: Done.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 20:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Zeyan Shafiq

On 9 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zeyan Shafiq, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Zeyan Shafiq developed KashBook during an Internet ban in the Kashmir Valley, operating without a virtual private network? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zeyan Shafiq. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Zeyan Shafiq), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A belated welcome!

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! Empire AS Talk! 16:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Accusation out of frustration

Hey there, saw your message on my talk page and I have gave you the reply there. But I want to ask you something. On the basis of what are you accusing me as a sock of Sheikh Asif, Sardar Nasir Ali and Thames Infotec. I am hearing this name for the first time in my life. I joined here on 10 August 2020 and the article Zeyan Shafiq was creates like a month ago. I happened to see the AFD, because it was listed at Wikiproject:India. So please make sure that you dont accuse other editors out of nowhere just because you dont agree with them. Since you are new here, I am assuming that you did that it assuming good faith. Anyway, you can freely ask me in my talk page if you have any concerns as I was also an inexperieced user like you.Regards Kichu🐘 Discuss 04:58, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have posted my reply to your talk page, my bad if it sounded rude, I apologise.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 08:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Resilient Barnstar
This is for your mentality of learning from mistakes and improves from criticisms to grow as an editor Kichu🐘 Discuss 09:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, I appreciate it. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 10:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zeyan Shafiq AfD

Hello Hums4r, just wanted to share my thoughts with you. Despite my "keep" vote on the AfD, I share MrsSnoozyTurtle's discomfort about these articles being used as a form of advertising, both for Zeyan Shafiq and for Stalwart eSports. This was the main reason I didn't approve the article from AfC myself. The Stalwart eSports Facebook page in a January 31 post described themselves as being "featured" on Wikipedia alongside their founder and CEO, and they say that this is a mark of legitimacy and authenticity. Wikipedia articles are supposed to reflect notability, not generate it. I worry that they are correct, and that we have overestimated (or incorrectly reflected) the notability value of the profiles in Indian publications, which in any event are not famed for the quality of their journalism.

I am beginning to think that the articles should focus on the events, the founding of Kashbook and Stalwart, rather than the person, Zeyan Shafiq or the company. I say this in part because despite the attention that KashBook and Stalwart have received, neither one is particularly special. KashBook is, in objective terms, a poor copy of Facebook. On Stalwart's part, there's no indication that it is a particularly high-achieving team; their earnings are tiny by esports standards. Both their claims to fame come from the circumstances in which they were created. KashBook, because it was during an internet ban in J&K, and Stalwart because India-Pakistan relations are famously frosty and their partnership with Freestyle eSports is a rare instance of cross-border people-to-people cooperation. Focusing on the founder and company erases this important feature, and may indeed give them some unwarranted advertising quotient at the expense of the reader's understanding.

I've had these concerns from the beginning, but I was intending to just let it be. It's now generated such a storm in a teacup, and evoked such ire in other Kashmiri editors that I think it deserves to be addressed. It'd be nice to know what you think, but you don't have to respond - just wanted to let you know where my head is at.

(tagging Fences and windows because I know you've dedicated a lot of effort to these articles too) Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 08:12, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Kohlrabi Pickle, been so long since we talked, hope you’re safe and doing good.
    Indeed you are correct, I checked their facebook page right now and confirm that they have posted it, but it might be because people in india consider wikipedia as authenticity,I think it shouldn’t be an issue until and unless the article doesn’t sound promotional, i might be wrong but if it is meeting the GNG, it should be there, moreover i would like to address one main issue with Esports in india which i am working on, We have major esport teams in india like Orange Rock, Entity, Megastars who have earned a good amount via Esports but the point is they don’t have enough articles/references to reliable sources present on google, i am looking to somehow get more and more links to them. Also another point, After PUBG was banned in india Stalwart Esports made it to the news because they had started working in pakistan and for indian media houses anything related to pakistan is given wide coverage. That’s why It has very much reliable source coverage on google.
    In Stalwart Esports “Collaboration of indian and pakistan organisation” is more notable, also i agree to all points you’ve mentioned above, you’ve been a early editor to this article(Zeyan Shafiq) and you have researched on it as well, you can surely remove anything that sounds promotional and just keep the part that deserves to be on wikipedia. We shouldn’t be tolerating any kind of promotional activities, i am fighting against these kashmiri editors just because they’re trying to post promotional articles on wikipedia. I am strongly against it. And again thanks for discussing things with me. Much respect mate.Hums4r (Let's Talk) 09:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Hums4r, hope you're well too. What I'm thinking is that we have misinterpreted what is notable. The point of note, (and, incidentally, the point of the DYK as well) was more that KashBook was founded during an internet ban by an enterprising Kashmiri, than that it was Zeyan Shafiq who did it. He is a secondary character in this story. If this is true, then the Zeyan Shafiq article should be merged with an article on KashBook or "Founding of KashBook". This would require rewriting it from a different angle, with some of the same content, but a bigger focus on the circumstances in which it was founded, the key players (I read that Zeyan Shafiq had a partner), what eventually led to its dissolution, etc.
For Stalwart, I'm quite torn. I see from your discussion here that other editors agree that Stalwart is notable. I think in that case that you should make clearer in the lead section that it is known for its partnership with Freestyle, lest it come across as a generic highly-ranked team. I can help with this.
Based on what I'm saying, therefore, I'm inclined to modify my vote on the AfD to "Merge with 'KashBook' or 'Founding of KashBook'". Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 02:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kohlrabi Pickle well, i think it might not be correct because as per sources he’s notable for 2 events, Kashbook and Stalwart Esports. If you create founding of kashbook, how would you include Stalwart Esports there? Also if we go by this thing, i am afraid we may have to do a lot of work then, haha. Like rewriting many BLP articles who are based on single event or two, i think Zeyan Shafiq should have an standalone article and then Kashbook’s article can be created,(but I won’t do it, so if you’re willing I’ll shares my notes) because as said earlier he’s not notable for 1 event only, we can’t deny stalwart esports when they have significant coverage. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 06:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still rather uncomfortable. Maybe this is because I loathe the idea of Wikipedia being used for advertising. In any event, I think the Zeyan Shafiq article gives undue weight to the more positive aspects of his life, and probably needs to be rewritten in a more balanced way. This should include, for example, his dispute with his KashBook co-founder, or the portion of the Ravi Agrawal book which describes him as enjoying the media attention. It should also make clear that his notability for KashBook is not continuing (no one uses it anymore) and that he is known for Stalwart Esports not because it is some high-performing team but because of their partnership with Freestyle. I'll leave my vote on the AfD as is, and probably place a maintenance tag for "undue weight" on the article. I have exams in a couple weeks so I'm tied up till then at least, but if I get some time after that, I'll edit it. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 07:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking the same, A controversies section should be added where his dispute with kashbook co founder has to be mentioned, there are Few articles briefly written on it, Stalwart Esports as per to my research has 60% of the articles based on their Indian performance. And 40% of articles based on their pakistani collab. We can’t completely deny their notability, but yes as you’ve mentioned in the lead there, they are known for stalwart freestyle partnership, although i will add more to it but later after i read few more articles. Unfortunately you don’t have people who are interested in indian esports. Also best of luck brother, wishing you success for exams. See you Hums4r (Let's Talk) 07:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Would like to ask one thing more “ It should also make clear that his notability for KashBook is not continuing (no one uses it anymore)“ as far as i remember notability doesn’t look for the functionality, because if it does then there are plenty of BLP who have defunct startup’s/businesses, For eg:- Kavin Bharti Mittal is the CEO of Hike messenger, but since it’s defunct now we can’t say that he’s not notable anymore. I guess we can have a more brief discussion, but i do disagree to your POV of notability as for now. But I believe you would make me understand properly. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 07:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion of Zeyan Shafiq

I saw that you are targeting me everywhere and trying to defame me. I don't know why you are doing this, I was never a part for Zeyan Shafiq's deletion discussion nor I edited his Article till date. Why are you creating mess and telling everyone that I did some edits on his Article? Secondly why didn't you texted me on my talk page? Keep good things going on don't spread hate and don't try to target anyone personally. Thank you Sardar Nadir Ali (talk) 12:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t target you for it, you’re just using wikipedia to do promotional activities as visible from your article’s history, moreover i just contributed to the SPI case with some investigations. Hums4r (Let's Talk) 13:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have so many things going on in my mind. What do you mean promotional activities, what are you trying to address? Sardar Nadir Ali (talk) 13:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly tell me why didn't you texted me on my talk page rather you mentioned me on others talk page? I never edited Zeyan's article why you mentioned that Nadir has edited that? Sardar Nadir Ali (talk) 13:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where did i mention nadir has edited that? You’re involved in a sock puppet case, i have strong proof’s that can prove it. I am just assisting that investigation, nothing else. What are your ties with Thames infotech? Since it is a blocked sock puppet already? Hums4r (Let's Talk) 13:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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