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Why Is Queen Elizabeth 2 featuring twice?

I understand that QE2's length of sovereignty is less in Jamaica & some other nations that became independent after her reign began, but we are talking about the same person. So she should not be listed twice. Number 4 & 23 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Progressiveglobalcommunication (talk • contribs) 11:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because, her reigns in the other countries are of different lengths. The rankings in this article are based on the length of reigns, not on the individuals. GoodDay (talk) 15:04, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Legally the crowns of the United Kingdom, Canada, Jamaica etc. are all distinct. Elizabeth II's reign in each of these countries began either on the date on which her father died or on the date on which the country obtained its independence from the British Empire (whichever was the latter). Each country has the authority to become a republic, and so end her reign in that country (and that country alone), and a number of countries over which she was once queen have chosen to go down that route.
Because the crowns of her various realms are distinct, her reigns over each of the realms are also distinct, and therefore any reign over any realm that is of sufficiently long duration should be referenced in these tables individually. (The exception is that distinct reigns by the same person that start and end on the same dates (or start on the same date and are still ongoing) are listed in the same row in these tables - this is long-standing convention.)
194.129.64.4 (talk) 16:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

edward kent

where is Edward Kent he has been ruling since 25 August 1942. he is the count of Kent. he should be added and where is Pharasmanes I the Great of the Kingdom of Iberia. he ruled form 1 ce -58 I added it but someone removed it. add them both William the enderman6713 (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He's not a monarch, so doesn't belong. GoodDay (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pharasmanes I of Iberia was not a monarch? By what standard? Dimadick (talk) 17:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm speaking of Edward, Duke of Kent. GoodDay (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edward is a monarch I added him but again someone removed it brrrr. he is a monarch you guys added so many dukes and counts but not him why.he follows a father to son succession and has a heir William the enderman6713 (talk) 14:14, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ad edward William the enderman6713 (talk) 14:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and he is a count he is like Bernard the XII ok. William the enderman6713 (talk) 14:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

oh wait Bernard is a lord 

William the enderman6713 (talk) 14:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's soon time for you to be blocked. GoodDay (talk) 17:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

fine I stop William the enderman6713 (talk) 18:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, you didn't. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

can anyone add XIV dail lama. ruling since 1940 21 February and became ruler at age 5. he ruled Tibet a small part of china Me.amoksbqaz (talk) 19:41, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

XIV Dalai Lama

hi guys can you please add XIV Dalai Lama he has been ruling since 22 February 1940. that make he's regin 80 years. he has been ruling Tibet a small part of china please. Me.amoksbqaz (talk) 19:21, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No GoodDay (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
why Me.amoksbqaz (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He doesn't reign over any state. GoodDay (talk) 20:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

he does rule Tibet and some chinese city's tho. the Chinese government supports him as a monarch so yeah and it's just me on another account Egeusyhe2003 (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Raja Sang Tawal

where is Raja Sang Tawal he ruled Kelantan Sultanate from 1267-1339 he means he ruled for 72 years and unknown amount of days please add him and also add Albert,VIII prince of Thurn and Taxis he ruled form 1 June 1884- 31 January 1952 almost 68 years. add both of them please I can't do it my self because I don't have 10 edits. Gpshshdhe (talk) 10:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

German titles of nobility were official abolished in 1919, so Albert's reign wouldn't extend to 1952. Emk9 (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ok and this is just me in an other account. can you add Raja Sang Tawal at least please Laderman8967 (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
are you even listening just add Raja Sang Tawal Laderman8967 (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We're not adding it. GoodDay (talk) 19:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ok fine I do it myself after 10 years Laderman8967 (talk) 19:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're wasting our time. GoodDay (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ok fine I stop bye Laderman8967 (talk) 19:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

wow he is added now Gpshshdhe (talk) 15:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you surprised? You're the one who added him. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers

I think it was said somewhere that it was decided on 25 in the sovereign monarchs section and 80 in the non-sovereign section, but there are currently 81 in the non-sovereign section.73.110.217.186 (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected it. GoodDay (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The change was due to the addition of Sikiru Kayode Adetona.73.110.217.186 (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Had to make further corrections, as # had jumped to 87, so I set it back to 80. GoodDay (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that there was no set numbered for the Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown section, just for ones that could have reigned at least as long as the lowest ranked ones in the ones with verifiable reigns.73.110.217.186 (talk) 19:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Undid those, since they all served circa 57 years, and we can't tell which ones reigned longer.73.110.217.186 (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the 80 limit. If you don't like it? get a consensus here against it. Otherwise, chose a limitation, so this article doesn't get out of hand. GoodDay (talk) 20:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Technically the 80 limit was for the section with verifiable reigns. The non-verifiable section is trickier, since he don't know exactly how long they served. Is there a clean way to address this uncertainty?73.110.217.186 (talk) 20:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We need to decide on a limitation. 80, 90, 100. Otherwise, folks are just gonna keep adding to the section & until it's too long. GoodDay (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"I was under the impression that there was no set numbered for the Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown section, just for ones that could have reigned at least as long as the lowest ranked ones in the ones with verifiable reigns" - agree, a fixed number limitation for Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown makes no sense what so ever - the reigns of these monarchs should be comparable to those of the other sections, so the limitation should of course be how many years they have reigned - rulers with a reign of 56 years are not included, whereas rulers with 57 years of reign or more should be included. A number limitation 80, 90, or 100 isn't relevant. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cut it down to 50 years reign then. GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
??? Sorry, I don't follow the point in that? Oleryhlolsson (talk) 21:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well then 60. As ending a list in a 0 or a 5, is a psychologically pleasurable number to read, in a list. GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have looked here before reverting. Either way, I don't think that's enough of a reason to remove rulers who are technically tied, but could have reigned longer than the names that remain in the uncertain reign length section. Emk9 (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's come up with a inclusion criteria for that section, concerning length reign. GoodDay (talk) 22:22, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the most logical criteria would be anyone who could be on the other two lists if their reign had exact dates, so since six monarchs on the two other lists reigned 57 years and xxx days, the bottom list should have anyone who reigned 57 years. Emk9 (talk) 04:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, this list isn't about psychological pleasurability but about what usefull information the users expect to find, when they visit the page. It's fine by me, that the two first lists seems to fit the numbers 25 and 80 quite well, but this third list is not about a certain number of rulers, but about which rulers that could possibly live up to the bottom figures for longest reigns in the two other lists. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 04:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sikiru Kayode Adetona

The page history said something about Nigerian traditional rulers not being on the list. Sikiru Kayode Adetona is currently on the list.73.110.217.186 (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Annoying IP, doing test edits.

Is anyone else here, getting fed up with a IP who shows up daily to do test edits? GoodDay (talk) 05:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

what ip address do you mean Gpshshdhe (talk) 17:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gpshshdhe, it appears to be someone repeatedly switching IPs; check the history. Ionmars10 (talk) 22:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's the roaming 103 IP, who's since been blocked. GoodDay (talk) 02:10, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

there is also 103.108.20.108 he is doing useless edits. Gpshshdhe (talk) 11:24, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2020

Please change the format of #31 on the Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown section to the following:

31 Odo II Blois (France) 1047 1115

73.110.217.186 (talk) 03:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ethiopians Kings

Is there any other sourcing for the reigns of the various Ethiopian kings from 4000BC that are all from a single book from 1927? None of them have articles (some of them are linked to random places with identical names though) and the source doesnt strike me as reliable, probably either made up or a retelling of local legends without actual evidence. They should be removed until there is an actual source for them. jonas (talk) 22:52, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, there are more sources however they're all written in the Amharic language and the ancient Ethiopian language of Ge'ez. The book from 1927 was written in English by Sir Charles Fernand Rey (1877-1968), he was the Assistant Secretary for the Ministry of Labour in the United Kingdom and he's considered to be a reliable scholar and prominent East African historian. It should also be noted that there's no standard system for transliterating Amharic or Ge'ez therefore some rulers might actually have articles under a different spelling. This particular transliteration of the names comes from C.F. Rey himself however the list of rulers contained in his book was provided to him by the Imperial Ethiopian government compiled for Rey on the instructions of the Prince Regent on June 19, 1922[1]. On page 263 of Appendix A in his explanatory note Rey writes: "The List of Kings is printed in the exact form of which it was received, and in literal translation. The dates given in the last two columns are those of the terminations of the reigns of the sovereigns, firstly according to the year of the creation of the world (which the Abyssinians place at 5,500 before the birth of Christ), and secondly reckoned before or after the birth of Christ, as the case may be, according to the Abyssinian calendar. For purposes of present-day comparison, it should be remembered that the Abyssinian calendar is seven or eight years behind ours, according to the period of the year, i.e. eight years from 1st January to 10th September (11th September in the Abyssinian leap year which follows ours), and seven years from 11th (or 12th) September to 31st December. This difference is not of course the same all the way back throughout the List of Kings, as the revisions of the calendar took place at various dates throughout the period, but it is near enough for rough comparison. Thus the year 550 of the creation of the world (Alexandrian era), which the Abyssinians regard as the year I, is for us A.D. 8 ; and the last year given in the present List of Kings, viz. 1779, is for us 1787." Therefore I found Rey's book to be credible and I believe that it's appropriate to place these rulers under the heading "Monarchs whose exact dates of rule are unknown," thanks for reading. Czar Petar I (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As an aside, the numbering needs to be fixed in the section they were previously in.73.110.217.186 (talk) 23:40, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eleanor remove and moving Friedrich Gunther is not sovereign

Eleanor was on douches in her own right the French government did not support her as a monarch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpshshdhe (talk • contribs) 08:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ok I will not remove her Gpshshdhe (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2021

Please remove cat from the See Also section, as it's irrelevant. 73.110.217.186 (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done thank you for pointing that out! Seems to have been added in this edit. Seagull123 Φ 22:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph zu Salm-Reifferscheidt-Dyck

He was not the the longest-ruling non-sovereign monarch because the county of Salm-Reifferscheidt-Dyck was annexed by Prussia in 1815. --Einsamer Schütze (talk) 01:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also there appears to be a 10 year gap in his reign, reigning as a Count from 1775–1806 and as a Prince from 1816-1861. Emk9 (talk) 02:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seemes to me that Frederick III[m](21 September 1415 – 19 August 1493) who was Holy Roman Emperor from 1452 until his death should be moves from Monarchs of dependent or constituent states list to the list of Monarchs of sovereign states he was a Empror after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:199:F2CF:1897:E53C:AEE7:3556 (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He was only Emperor for 41 years which isn't long enough to make it onto the 1st list. Emk9 (talk) 03:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

mr. Emk9 so you kown any monarch with verifiable date that ruled for 80 years. Gpshshdhe (talk) 10:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ok @emk9 he was constituent from 1419-1452 father 1452 he dad absolute power so I think he should be moved to sovereign instead Gpshshdhe (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He was only sovereign for 41 years which isn't long enough to be on the first list. Emk9 (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

if we do maths emk9 then he spen 28 years as n3on sovereign and 41 as sovereign so I think so Gpshshdhe (talk) 13:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@emk9 should we include the 14th dail lama he has been reigning since February 21 1940 and rules Tibet and the chinse government supports him as an monarchs so I think we should and I don't kown how to use the bts date thingys Gpshshdhe (talk) 16:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 28 years were not sovereign so should not be added to the 41 years in regards to the first list. He should stay on the second list. The Dalai Lama is not sovereign over Tibet, considering he's living in exile in India. Emk9 (talk) 20:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@emk9 I think I might have found someone who ruled longer then Pepi II did his name is Minhti Who ruled the Kingdom of arakan(now Myanmar/Burma) for 95 years 1279-1374 so I he is no.1 now Gpshshdhe (talk) 18:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, feel free to add him then. Here's a source from Guinness as well. https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-ever-reigns Emk9 (talk) 19:17, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

oh thanks @emk9 and what is up with this Rey, Charles Fernand (1927). In the Country of the Blue Nile. London: Camelot Press Limited. pp. 6, 262. 

thing Gpshshdhe (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's a reference from the discussion about Ethiopian Kings

now I understand o. Gpshshdhe (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Countdown for Her Majesty the Queen

Assuming that the Queen lives on, Her Majesty will equalise the longevity of the reign at (of):

ok on 7 May 2022 I place her above Johann and others Gpshshdhe (talk) 09:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor

I suggest to put Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor to the list of Monarchs of sovereign states where he belongs as a Empror and an importan one.

He wasn't the Holy Roman Emperor long enough to qualify for the sovereign state list. Emk9 (talk) 06:19, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Princes of Condé

I recommend adding two Princes of Condé 1 Henry II de Bourbon reigned from September 1, 1588 – December 26, 1646 2 Louis Joseph de Bourbon 27 January 1740 – 13 May 1818 

They ruled Condè a part of France 🇫🇷 Snsnssnuw (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Henri, Prince of Condé Snsnssnuw (talk) 17:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Condé appears to be a title rather than a ruler. Princes of Condé says "Louis was titled Prince of Condé in a parliamentary document on 15 January 1557 and, without any legal authority beyond their dignity as princes of the Blood Royal" Emk9 (talk) 17:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK Now I understand @Emk9 but on Ludwig I on the 2nd list it says his his reign began in January but 29 days so can you fix it and make it December instead. Snsnssnuw (talk) 18:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

O Snsnssnuw (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Emk9 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kedah

Why is Muhammad Jiwa Zainal Adilin II in the Dependent list? According to the linked article on Kedah, although it became a protectorate much later (in 1909), was independent (indeed, at the summit of its power) during his reign. 213.78.82.8 (talk) 22:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Rey, Charles Fernand (1927). In the Country of the Blue Nile. London: Camelot Press Limited. pp. 6, 262.
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