Talk:Transgender

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021 (3)

Clinicians are not informing parents of future legal rights loss of children who obtain legal change of sex via the use of the word transgender and that their child will forever be seen ad part of the lgbt movement and subject to its whims! 67.136.4.196 (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum to discuss your own opinions about the lgbt movement and its whims (or about anything else). Please either submit a clear edit request supported by reliable sources or stop submitting edit requests. ezlev^tlk
_ctrbs 19:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Transexuel ?

Excusez-moi mais ce mot n'est plus à utiliser. Il désigné autrefois une maladie mentale pour caractérisé les personnes ne sentant pas en accord avec leur genre attribué à la naissance et donc par conséquent leur sexe, le fait ou non de faire une opération pour changer de sexe ne change pas le nom, c'est transgenre et c'est tout. 5.252.63.158 (talk) 14:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Certaines personnes s'identifient comme transsexuelles. Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

See discussion at your talk page. Voir votre PdD. Mathglot (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request

I think you should change "Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth." to "Transgender people identify as a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth." Wikipedia has always been neutral, and I think this edit would better reflect that and remain consistent with it's generally neutral view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abider445 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done That would only change the grammar of the sentence by making it worse. "Identify as a gender identity" is quite poor grammar, and the intended meaning most people would take from it is the same as what is already said. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

  It seems to me that the phrase “sex that they were assigned at birth” is dishonest and misleading.  It implies that at birth, sex is arbitrarily assigned, based on some subjective choice on the part of the parents or on the part of a medical professional involved in the birth; when the reality is that sex is defined and determined by objective and observable physical traits that are not subject to any such arbitrary whims.  A baby born with obvious male genitalia is not “assigned” the male sex because his parents were wishing for a son rather than a daughter, but because he is very obviously a boy and not a girl.  If he later goes on to decide that he's “female”, and even to have surgical and hormonal procedures done to him to make him appear female, the immutable reality is that biologically, he is still male, and not, in any meaningful sense, female.  At most, there's an argument to be made that by destroying one's male reproductive equipment, one is rendered sexless, but that is still quite a big step short of making one genuinely female. — Bob Blaylock (talk) 13:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

May 14 edit request

It is a common slur to say that trans people are transvestites or cross-dressers. The "reliable source" given to defame us in this way (and in the opening paragraph, no less), is flimsy at best and is, as I have said, repeating a slur against us. Surely Wikipedia is better than this?

Please just remove the sentence, as it is not true, is a defamatory slur, and is hurtful to us, the subject matter of this article.

Please remove this as a matter of urgency, as you are actively hurting people with this article. 49.184.213.214 (talk)— Preceding undated comment added 07:14, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. No matter what harm you think this causes you need to provide a Reliable source to support the requested change. See also WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:43, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The old "trans women are transvestites" slur chestnut

It is a common slur to say that trans people are transvestites or cross-dressers, and needs to be removed asap. The so-called "reliable source" given to defame us in this way (and in the opening paragraph if this article, no less), is flimsy at best and is, as I have said, repeating a slur against us. Surely Wikipedia is better than this?

Please just remove the sentence, as: 1) it is not true, 2) it is a defamatory slur, and 3) it is hurtful to us, the subject matter of this article.

Please remove this as a matter of urgency, as you are actively hurting people with this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by an IP editor 07:31, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

If I'm correct in assuming you're referring to the sentence The term transgender may be defined very broadly to include cross-dressers, that's sourced to this paper published in 2013 in the journal LGBT Health. Specifically, this paragraph:

Eligibility criteria for the survey were: (1) being age 18 or older; (2) voluntarily agreeing to complete the survey; and (3) identifying as transgender. Transgender was defined broadly to cover those who transition from one gender to another as well as those who may not choose to socially, medically, or legally fully transition, including cross-dressers, people who consider themselves to be genderqueer, androgynous, and those whose gender nonconformity is a part of their identity. Inclusive language regarding gender nonconforming was used to ensure broad participation.

This is not defamatory or a slur, imo. In an article about as broad a concept as Transgender, it seems necessary to note alternate definitions of the term early in the article, and (relatively recent) usage in a medical journal is reliable as a source. Srey Sros^talk 15:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)