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Section size for LGBTQ (16 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	6,697	6,697
History of the term	11,107	11,107
Variants	24,318	37,706
Transgender inclusion	1,604	1,604
Intersex inclusion	10,416	10,416
Asexual, aromantic and agender inclusion	1,368	1,368
Criticism of the term	11,553	11,553
Alternative terms	24	20,685
Queer	3,107	3,107
SGM/GSM/GSRM	10,169	10,169
Further umbrella terms	5,251	5,251
Clinical	722	722
MVPFAFF	1,412	1,412
See also	212	212
References	30	30
External links	734	734
Total	88,724	88,724

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Challenging the history of the term

The first sentence of section #History of the term currently says, "Before the sexual revolution of the 1960s, there was no common non-derogatory vocabulary for non-heterosexuality" but I don't believe this is accurate. The terms "sexual inversion" (for the state) and "invert" (for the person) were used in 19th century in medical references, and by the early 20th century, in popular literature, such as Well of Loneliness. The term uranian was also used, but it was never common, I believe.

Later in that section, there is the claim that the term homophile "replaced" homosexual in the 1950s and 1960s, but it never replaced it, they coexisted, with the latter being over a hundred times more common, and the former being relegated primarily to insider groups and entirely unknown to the public.

Something else that is not made clear by this section and perhaps should be, is that the term "heterosexuality" only came to be used as a counterpoint to the term "homosexuality" (both coined by translators of von Krafft Ebbing around 1892) and whose usage always lagged behind that of "homosexual". This is a standard type of development in language, where the unmarked term doesn't "need" to exist, until the variant is recognized and defined. The same thing happened with "transgender" (c. 1965) and "cisgender" (1990s).

Later in the section, it says that, "From about 1988, activists began to use the initialism LGBT in the United States," but U.S. usage precedes that. See for example, Nakayama (1980),^[1] and usage in scholarly articles trails activist usage. Mathglot (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, the term did not originally have any negative connotations; it was a term used in medical, psychological, and legal circumstances. The first two paragraphs of this section seem all wrong, and should be removed or rewritten. Mathglot (talk) 09:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the section's lead sentence, which had been tagged {{dubious}} since July 2017. Two other issues still tagged "dubious" remain in this section, for now. Mathglot (talk) 07:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unarchived on 11:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC) as this section is still the target of {{dubious}} tags in the article. Mathglot (talk)

Unarchived on 07:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC) as this section is still the target of {{dubious}} tags in the article. (added DNAU.) Mathglot (talk)

"The first widely used term, homosexual, now carries negative connotations in the United States.[15]" isn't supported by the link at all, there is no mention of it there, just newspaper style guides expressing a preference for gay and lesbian.

21:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)21:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)21:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)21:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.56.14 (talk • contribs) 21:53, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

References

^ Nakayama, T. (1980). "The impact of an LGBT safe zone project on campus climate". Journal of College Student Development. 43 (4). Nashville: 522–539.

Add GRSM/GSRM

In the list of acronyms, there should be mentioned GRSM: Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minority, along with GSRM, the same thing in a different order.

A small suggestion-

Hey, NotSchoolSmart here, Do you think we might be able to add more flags? That would be great! If not that is OK, I just think that it would be neat for people who want to learn more about LGBTQ+! Thanks! (talk) 17:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Thank you![reply]

@NotSchoolSmart: If your specific about which ones maybe, but most of them I don't think so. As a good chunk of them are not recognizable outside of the LGBT community. Considering the fact too that a lot of them are disputed or not fully recognized within the community this can also be an issue with neutral point of view. The flags placed here are considered widely used and well known, and are notable enough to be listed. Chariotsacha (talk) 23:58, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Gender and Sexual Minorities" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Gender and Sexual Minorities. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 18#Gender and Sexual Minorities until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Bangalamania (talk) 02:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"TGBL" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect TGBL. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 19#TGBL until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Bangalamania (talk) 11:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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} i just wanna add that not all gays are ready to come out and wanted to add some help advice } 72.221.92.129 (talk) 16:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[Nakayama-1980-1] Nakayama, T. (1980). "The impact of an LGBT safe zone project on campus climate". Journal of College Student Development. 43 (4). Nashville: 522–539.

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