Talk:Wigger

Article should be removed

If this belongs anywhere, it should be on wiktionary, not here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary).

An additional paragraph with zero references does not qualify as "encyclopedic content", why is this page even here? 61.173.108.23 (talk) 07:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this article sucks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.85.2.201 (talk) 06:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. Yet another "article" on ghetto/urban culture written and edited almost entirely by suburban white people. Really this page should've been deleted a long time ago. 24rhhtr7 (talk) 23:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Delete the NPOV violation, opinion piece. However, the objection that it was written by suburban white people, is a racist comment. (PeacePeace (talk) 23:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC))

Removed incorrect information

The following has been removed from the "Lawsuits" section:

In another lawsuit from 2003, the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals declared that the word wigger was "the most noxious racial epithet in the contemporary American lexicon".

The court declaration was clearly referring not to "wigger" but to the word "nigger."

Separate White nigger

I moved the discussion of "white nigger" as a reference to Northern Irish and French Canadians since it's a different subject than white persons acting like African Americans.--Nowa (talk) 19:18, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Notable Wiggers

I realize this is a touchy subject, but given Sartwell's essay and his description of Wimsatt and Eminem as archetypal wiggers, I felt is was worth mentioning with explicit attribution and explanation.--Nowa (talk) 19:39, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

• Jason_Williams_(basketball,_born_1975) and John Cena were added by another editor as potential notable wiggers. I moved them here to see if there are any reliable secondary sources to support this position.--Nowa (talk) 03:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Pursuant to WP:BLP, adding "notable wiggers" (which tends to appear time to time in the see also category) needs to stop. Wigger is a derogatory word. Using it to describe an individual - especially living - going forward should result in administrative action, or at least a warning going forward. YouCanDoAnything (talk) 05:28, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Picture of Vanilla Ice?

I'm uncomfortable with the picture of Vanilla Ice in the lede. This is not an article about him and the picture itself does not illustrate the behavior discussed in the article. Any objection to me removing it?--Nowa (talk) 09:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I'm removing it. It's clearly slanderous. JDiala (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

JDiala, this edit is inappropriate because you removed the entire WP:Lead paragraph. I could not care less about that image, but that paragraph should be restored. Flyer22 (talk) 10:45, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: You're right. How foolish of me. I'll fix that. JDiala (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Add a mention of the term "WigNat"

"Wignat" is a clipping of "Wigger Nationalist" and is a term used for people that while follow a far-right ideology like White Supremacism or Neo-Nazism but act in a way considered "degenerate" by other members of the Right, for example: Someone covered in to the brim with "Alt-Right" Tattoos is considered a WigNat. I think it's an appropriate thing to mention in an article on the term "Wigger" Kanclerz K-Tech (talk) 09:32, 6 April 2020 (UTC) User:Kanclerz K-Tech

Material deleted which lacked any citation courses

This article may be a violation of NPOV as serving to advance the opinion that it is bad to adopt characteristics which one was not born to, a type of snobbery? It reminds me of the song, "He ain't country, I don't remember him." A lot of it was opinion. Paragraphs that lacked citations have been deleted. Some of it may have been abased on original research. (PeacePeace (talk) 23:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC))

There is no consensus for this deletion, so I have restored it. 68.197.116.79 (talk) 07:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

"W-word" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect W-word. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 11#W-word until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm _Bacon 02:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

the etymology of the term wigger

well, a member of The Church of Bab wants to claim Wigger is racist, which it is obvoiusly not.

• i just want to state it is tragic but unsurprising that a number of contributors to this page are of low intelligence.

  it encourages people like @Jacona: to play "hero ball", coming with low quality sources (compared to what i am about to use) while saving the day. unfortunately for you and i, dear jacona, we must be reminded you are not a hero nor did your country raise you to act like one.

1. i refer to (probably) the most authoritative exploration on the term in 1993 by David Roediger. it is perhaps best to start from the end:

   Hipness and Bugs Bunny are obviously anything but sideshows or short subjects in American cultural history. Neither, for all the obvious marginality of triracial guineas and full-fledged wiggers, do the stories of guineas and wiggers belong in the wings of historically based cultural studies. These words, and the people behind them, remind us that race, although itself a social construction, has also dramatically constructed American lives. They further suggest that race has been a source of drama, contestation, and tragedy not only for the minority of "nonwhites" but also for the "white" majority.

   and working backwards, Roediger painstakingly goes through the history of Wigger, which he suggests was actually created by black people to refer to the white person's appropriation of their culture:

   The case for wigger as a coinage of African Americans-this does not rule out whites also independently creating the term at another place and time-is buttressed by two further considerations. As both Miles and Sundiata Cha-Jua have pointed out, using w or wh as a substitute beginning to create new words describing whites or white institutions is frequent in African-American speech-thus witch for "white bitch" and whitianity for "white Christianity." Secondly, and here the tremendous hybridity of American slang complicates easy racial distinctions, wigger clearly gestures toward earlier uses of wig and wigged out by both black jazz musicians and beat poets and by white jazz musicians and beat poets. Wigged, contradictorily meaning overstimulated, intellectualized, laudably crazy, and stressed (see Major, Dictionary 122; Tamony), could hardly have failed to strike black influenced musical subcultures as an apt cousin for wigger.

   in fact, he explores many cases of exactly the intended use: a non-white individual adopting black culture. the word racism in the article is only used for describing examples of a racist white people using wigger to disparage to another white person. in another context it is strongly suggested that racism is not a primary attribute of wigger (page 661):

   This is not the place to evaluate the political importance of wiggers, let alone their wisdom. The broader white hip-hop audience is rather easily ridiculed. Hip-hop magazines, marketed in large part to white audiences, who now buy half of rap tapes sold, often ridicule wiggers and wanna-bes as middle-class, superficial, voyeuristic, apolitical, consumerist, "dumb" and even racist (see Ledbetter; Upski).

   it is therefore clear at this point that racism is not at all the primary connotation of the word wigger, regardless of what Jacona suggests.

2. indeed, another notable academic Crispin Sartwell opens his piece Wiggers (edited by George Yancy, foreword by Cornel West)

   The wigger must be understood specifically in relation to Hip Hop music and culture. All the signifiers by which he codes black are essentially made within Hip Hop: the clothing, the slang, the music, the graffiti and other art. Hip Hop is the wigger’s instruction manual, and since Hip Hop is available everywhere, wiggerism is available even in North Dakota or for that matter Paris, where, no doubt, it is even more interesting. Hip Hop is a visual as well as aural art: indeed, in the age of music video and pop soundtracks, music itself is a visual art. And Hip Hop is an art culture with well-nigh universal dissemination. There really is no reason any longer for anyone to act white, if they don’t want to.

   and gives us the powerful conclusion that the transcendence shown by a well known Wigger (Eminem) gives others hope that it can lead to bigger change

   {{quotation|In the context of such self-criticism, wiggerism indeed becomes an agent of change, and race migration, with all its limitations, holds out the possibility of knowledge of black folks and knowledge of self. “The most promising thing about spilled milk,” writes Wimsatt, “is that it has ventured from its container.” So, we might conclude, don’t cry over the wigger.

   at this point we have two extremely high-quality sources that make it clear that the connotations of Wigger are far from racist. if Roediger paved the way for the term's etymology arising from africans, then sartwell's further analysis shows that the white person's awareness of their physical limitations and choice to adopt a foreign culture can serve as an agent of change.

   there is nothing in these high quality sources that suggest, at any point, the leading connotations with the term Wigger are racist, regardless of how Jacona opportunistically interferes with the name change.

i am going to build on this and hopefully he quits wikipedia after realising he "can't step". why did he even choose to do this? i have no idea. inspired by bob, probably 198.53.108.48 (talk) 00:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)