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Appropriate Reference or not

Hello Anachronist I have a topic to create on Wikipedia and have quite number of news references. Is The Times Bulletin a trusted news source to add reference from this website

Renu Raj

Hello, I've once removed the COI tag from Renu Raj which was placed by GermanKity, see. Someone else also removed the COI tag before me, look. But German kitty is doing the same process (tagging undisclosed payment tag) again and again. This is vandalism, right? 27.59.238.4 (talk) 07:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

27.59.238.4 is shopping around to Administrators and at Teahouse to get the UPE/COI tag permanently removed from Renu Raj by accusing GermanKity of vandalism. At Teahouse, Germankity has raised the possibility that 27.59.238.4 is an IP for User:Idhachu, the editor who created the article originally, subsequently blocked as sock. David notMD (talk) 11:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mick Foley

Hi, there is an edit war going on in Mick Foley that I'm involved in. There is an image (the one I keep reverting back to) that a couple of users and I reached consensus on being the infobox image for this article. One particular unregistered user (I think it's either this user who just never bothered to log in, or this blocked user, who has a history of edit-warring and sock puppeting) keeps changing it back to an image that is also on the bottom of the article, which of course means it's featured twice on the same page. I took it to the talk, and he won't even negotiate his changes on the talk page and continues to engage in this edit war. He clearly doesn't seem to have much regard for the three revert rule (which I admittedly just found out about) as he has reverted it 4 times.

I don't want to be involved in this edit war any further, so could you protect the page (What this person is doing I think amounts to vandalism)? Thank you.--Hmdwgf (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's multiple IP addresses engaging in edit warring so I semi-protected the article for 2 weeks. A consensus between 2 or 3 users isn't really a community consensus. Please continue trying to resolve the dispute on the talk page as you have been doing. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK. It's multiple IP addresses used by the same person. Is there anything that can be done about that? Also, how many people would be needed to reach a community consensus?--Hmdwgf (talk) 03:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protection takes care of the multiple addresses. If it's the same person, then the person cannot edit the article and must discuss on the talk page. If you can come to an agreement then there's no problem. If you cannot, and the dispute is just between two people, then WP:Third opinion is a good first choice to bring someone else in to resolve a dispute. Otherwise WP:RFC may be an option to attract more views to the discussion. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mark Cheverton (July 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Zxcvbnm was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

Hello Anachronist:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is currently a backlog of over 1000 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for Creation at 21:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC). If you do not wish to recieve future notification, please remove your name from the mailing list.[reply]

Thanks for your question at my RfA

Your very sound and well-grounded question was totally appreciated but when the next two questions were also hypotheticals, I chose silence. There's always a context. I know a long-time editor who might revert a well-sourced IP contribution; we might have been thinking about the same fellow. In any event, I did not see any reason for an admin candidate to declare himself willing to use tools to settle a content issue. I can make contributions as a wikipedian however, and that's the direction I would have taken the situation even if I was INVOLVED. I appreciate your help in showing something about myself to the community. BusterD (talk) 17:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BusterD: the way I worded the question, it should have been clear that you aren't an WP:INVOLVED administrator in that scenario, so you didn't really address the scenario I presented. That's OK, so far no candidate has provided a direct answer to that question. There is no right or wrong answer, it's just a way to see your thought process at work.
Congratulations on your adminship! I'm sure you'll make a fine administrator. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Javed Chaudhry

Can you move page from Javed Chaudhry (journalist) to Javed Chaudhry. He is better known as Javed Chaudhry. I was trying to move but it says that you had protected it on admin level back in 2014. Thanks. Hasan (talk) 02:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ulubatli Hasan: actually, no. That article isn't ready for main space, and the notability of the subject is questionable, because none of the cited sources provide coverage of any depth. I moved the article to draft space at Draft:Javed Chaudhry for improvement before it gets moved back. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You were helping...

Either "xmaspud" or "xmasupd" at the Help desk. One of us has entered the name wrong, but I can't find the user. (I'm not sure that he took the photo in question.) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 21:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's xmaspud (I got it wrong in my reply), and her husband apparently took that photo of his own sculpture. If she can provide proof of identity to OTRS, we can straighten things out. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Can you delete the draft:Afizzionados. ItsJustdancefan (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty: Do you object? You're the only other editor who did anything substantive in that draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ItsJustdancefan: I don't object, but wonder why. GoingBatty (talk) 19:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine it's because the draft is a pared-down translation of the Spanish Wikipedia article, with the same sources, and those sources were deemed inadequate here. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:44, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
keep up.. CocoGT (talk) 16:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Assembly theory

On 30 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Assembly theory, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that assembly theory provides an experimentally verifiable way of detecting extraterrestrial life without needing to define what life is? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Assembly theory. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Assembly theory), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TPA

Hi Anachronist. You blocked Sudish World Technology, but they've since spammed on their talk page: [1]. Could you please revoke talk page access? Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will do so if they do that again. Thanks for reverting them. Maybe they'll notice the instructions in the block message this time. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the J. Lohr Vineyards and Wines Wikipedia article

Hi @Anachronist: I noticed you contributed to the J. Lohr Vineyards and Wines article a while back. Would you be interested in working on the article again? If so, I'm currently working on an improved sandbox with qualified secondary sources. I do have a COI with the company, so I will not directly edit the article.

  • First, would you be open to review my sandbox when it's prepared?
  • Second, the title of the article is incorrect; it's J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines, not J. Lohr Vineyards and Wines. Would you be open to help correct the title of the article?

Appreciate any input or feedback!--Best--Chefmikesf (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chefmikesf: I'm willing to work with you on it. Be aware, though, that a total rewrite would likely not be accepted by the community. Incremental changes are typically more desirable. I'm happy to look at your sandbox version (I could not find it) when you're ready.
An article about a company is titled according to common usage in sources that refer to it; we have had companies complain to no avail that Wikipedia doesn't title their articles according to their trademark names. Happily, I verified to my satisfaction that the winery's preferred article title is also the most commonly used form of the name, so I have renamed the article to J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Anachronist: Thanks, I appreciate the opportunity to collaborate. I will ping you with the sandbox and post the request on the J.Lohr Vineyards & Wines article when it is ready. To clarify my request, I won't propose any major changes to the article. I will only suggest adding well-sourced content that complies with Wikipedia's guidelines, such as an Infobox and additional historical content. Also, I will structure the content in an edit request format to make it easy to read.--Best--Chefmikesf (talk) 23:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it named Adams's Bridge instead of Ram Setu. It's better if you would change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:e280:3d90:36:813:f086:763:4f57 (talkcontribs)

Perhaps you should try reading the article and you'll figure it out. Note that this is the English Wikipedia, so article are titled according to how the topics are commonly known in English. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To add to your collection

The Socratic Barnstar
Thanks for bringing level-headed reason to Wikipedia disputes. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pyrrho the Skeptic: Thank you! Added. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I thought discussing more about this user on admin noticeboard would be inappropriate, So I thought I should put some more facts here. The very first edit w:mr:Special:Diff/1937638 here they added the same information about the so called notable author their achievement. w:mr:Special:Permalink/1937641 here they created a page for the same author by adding the same text. w:mr:Special:Diff/1937651 They re-inserted it again on the Sindkhed raja page. And to remind you this is something they did on three projects, on hiwiki w:hi:Special:Diff/5282091 and here on enwiki too. And importantly to remind you the content has zero claims of notability. They have written only one book which got one non-existent award in one non-existent event probably organized by themselves in their dreams. There are no references and no mentions of their name in no online sources. Its a total hoax. Interestingly, 1) Without even knowing Marathi, on the basis of what machine translations has provided you. 2) You came to this conclusion that they are making credible attempt here Special:Diff/1038441093. I am surprised, really surprised. thanks QueerEcofeminist[they/them/their] 17:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. You gave no actionable reason to block at WP:AIV. Creating hoax articles would be a different matter. If the user shows any similar activity, let me know and I will block based on the additional background you have given. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Rishton Ka Manjha

Thankyou so such Anachronist for improving our page Rishton Ka Manjha I can't express how happy I am🙏🏻 I am really thankful to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:292:d88e:388e:f0b3:d590:4333 (talkcontribs) 16:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is at Draft:Rishton Ka Manjha and needs to be improved there before it can be published on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How can I improve article? We have reference for the article The lead Krushal Ahuja, Ayan Nayak and Aanchal Goswami What more you need?

Now you wait for a reviewer. You can continue improving it while waiting for review. I will not be reviewing it. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi as I'm an Indian I know this is an Indian Soap opera which starts Krushal Ahuja, Ayan Nayak and Aanchal Goswami in the lead roles and directy by Sushanta Das which will be casted on Zee Tv.So why there is still no Wikipedia page? Can I make one for it as per information available to me? Boti2481 (talk) 01:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Boti2481: The main space article Rishton Ka Manjha is create-protected. The only way it can exist in main article space is for a draft to be approved by a reviewer. The draft at Draft:Rishton Ka Manjha was deleted because it was created by a banned user violating his ban, and we do not keep material produced by such users as a matter of policy. You can re-create the draft space article after you become autoconfirmed. You have enough edits, but not enough time; your account needs to age another day or so. Or, I can restore the draft for you if you intend to work on it, but if you don't make any substantive changes to the draft, it would get deleted again. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please restore the draft as I'm new here so I don't know what others did with the article. I request you to restore the article Draft:Rishton Ka Manjha once I check I can work better as per requirements of Wikipedia and as I saw you are an Administrator as per my knowledge you can move it to the mainspace. So after you restore I can check and submit and you verify and move it to the mainspace. Boti2481 (talk) 02:04, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Boti2481: That isn't how it works. I have restored the draft and re-tagged it to tie its submission to your account. However, if you do not change it and simply review it, it will be deleted again because we do not keep articles written by banned editors. Also, I stated above that I will not review it. Another editor must do that after you submit it for review. And the article in its current state would likely be rejected. Once it is accepted, the reviewer can move it to main space. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I edit something very minor and saw the history one guy named Falzu raheman placed his name on the page's cast section for no reason. I checked all the information and I think it's all true just having little doubt with a guy named Ayan Nayak yes I confirmed and checked that He is in the soap opera as an cast but not fully sure that he is as a lead or not. As you said ***And the article in its current state would likely be rejected*** how to fix this? Boti2481 (talk) 02:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Boti2481: Well, the entire body of the article is just one sentence. There is no context around anything in that draft. There honestly isn't anything else that can be said about it? No explanation why anyone should care about the topic? No indication of why this is significant enough to merit a Wikipedia article beyond a list of sources that cover the series? Aren't there any substantive expansions you could make? What is the series about? Who are the characters? How is it received by critics? We have many decent articles about drama series; see Twin Peaks for example. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:47, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much yes yes I am doing this. Actually it's not released completely thankyou so much I am making this edit Boti2481 (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Anachronist I have added as much as I can to the body. Is it alright to place it for submission? Boti2481 (talk) 03:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Boti2481: I see you have already submitted it. I went through it and added a few words, and reorganized it into sections, attaching the citations to the things that they verify. This leaves the overview that you wrote with no citations. None of the citations already in the article verified what you wrote. Did you refer to something when you wrote it? If you referred to something, you should cite it. ~Anachronist (talk) 12:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As you said it needs one more Citations and I saw your comment on the draft page. I will send you the reference of the serial. I request to add it on the article on the suitable place. Samita1212 (talk) 15:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I added some reference please check that. Samita1212 (talk) 16:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted on of your edits which you placed by mistake in the Draft:Rishton Ka Manjha in the cast section Krushal Nayak which you edited by mistake Samita1212 (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please recheck and say if there is any problem? Samita1212 (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are evading your block. This conversation has ended. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you removed ok I will fix the issue soon Raviana48 (talk) 16:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi please help us. How to solve the problem? Raviana48 (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See my previous comment. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not looking for trouble

Thank you for understanding I was only seeking to find a channel to address a concern and tried to be careful about outing. Than k you for your suggestion to use WP ANI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Toddmeagher (talkcontribs) 20:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddmeagher: Well, there doesn't appear to be any obvious disruption in the Todd Meagher article, so it's doubtful that ANI would help (and I confess that I'm still unclear what you perceive to be a problem). If you want to make any substantive changes to the article, you need to propose your changes on Talk:Todd Meagher rather than edit the article yourself. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Anachronist I'm not changing ANYTHING until I learn more about the rules and tags LOL.Toddmeagher (talk)

The Times Bulletin

Thankyou so much for your answer Boti2481 (talk) 01:30, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Drop me a note if you need help in the future. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

how to write articles on English?

Hello!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Станислав Савченко: Go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the instructions to write an article in draft space and submit it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here is something we don't see every day...

The text in the source that various socks of AnonymousIndiaz copypasted into Draft:Rishton Ka Manjha has actually been changed – I have a tab open with the version of this page that was current as of half an hour ago or so, and it is not the same text that's there now. I was thinking how ridiculous and funny it was that AnonymousIndiaz kept changing a few words in the text to not-actually-synonyms, with the result that the text is now something that's almost but not quite unlike English... but this is even more ridiculous. They are editing as an IP now, and I've reported them to AIV which may or may not be effective. Today is not going to get any stranger, so I'm off to bed now. --bonadea contributions talk 22:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea: That certainly is a weird way to circumvent copyright violations. More effective than AIV is to simply semi-protect that draft, which I have done. The user is banned, the sockpuppets are banned, and they have no business editing it until they get their account unblocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

good book, bad url

For background, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#answering-islam.org. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@John Maynard Friedman: Oops, I reverted you before I saw this note on my talk page. I'll undo it while I review. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I was a bit heavy handed in that one, I've been a bit more surgical in other cases. I was just about to replace the answering-islam URL with https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.215983 , which I have just found and is the actual book, not some travesty. I'm not familiar with the subject details, so will leave it to you as you may want to cite a specific page. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@John Maynard Friedman: No, go right ahead. I'm just as unfamiliar with the subject details. If it's a matter of simply replacing one URL with another, that should be fine. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:30, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Request for assistance. YMCA Queensland Youth Parliament

Hi User:Anachronist

I'm the person who is working on YMCA Queensland Youth Parliament. Thank you for restoring that to draft space the other day.

I was hoping you could maybe look it over and suggest any changes to improve it? Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 07:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tomorrow and tomorrow: I wrote a lengthy response on Draft talk:YMCA Queensland Youth Parliament. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please take a look at the above article and the user I've been reverting? I reckon their behavior is not quite egregious enough for me to get around WP:INVOLVED. They've removed many of the warnings I've left on their Talk page. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: OK, I have done so and decided that a short block was in order. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. We'll see what happens when the block expires. Meanwhile, unless someone else notices, the fan website and the unsourced personal life section will remain in the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was gonna get to that but I was using my work computer and could not access the website through my company network. Now that I've seen it, I have removed it per WP:FANSITE and the unsourced personal life section per WP:BLP.
If there is no good alternative for the fansite, it is likely to keep re-appearing, so it may be best to list it with XLinkBot. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've never done that...and don't know how. Thanks again.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide an draft

I saw you deleted an draft on G5 due to sock puppet. Can you provide me the draft deleted by you Draft:Rishton Ka Manjha so I can reupload it. I would be easy if I get the draft. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. Get one of your other accounts unblocked first. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are making mistake I'm not the sockpuppet that's why I'm here asking to get the draft from you otherwise I need to start from scratch and also not too create any misunderstanding further. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 17:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe I am making a mistake. Start from scratch in your sandbox. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@२ तकर पेप्सी: Also, the draft is only semi-protected. Once you are autoconfirmed you can re-create the draft yourself. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok but please don't edit my sandbox because I need to collect information from sources can make edits maybe there will be mistake. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What should I do I know the draft is semi protected but I was asking u to get the draft means the article so it would be easy for me to create please say what sould I do draft or sand box? २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 17:37, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Once you are autoconfirmed (2 more days) you may move your sandbox to the draft. You can also create the draft and copy+paste your sandbox source into it, but it is preferred to move the sandbox to draft because that preserves the editing history. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:45, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You also need to disclose your connection to the topic, and to the sockpuppet accounts if you were asked to do this by them, or if you are being compensated in any way for editing here. It is OK to be an editor with a conflict of interest or if you are paid, but this must be disclosed. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a paid editor but I'm a team off Zee 5 television show edit just joined Wikipedia yesterday. Yes I get salary for it.२ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 17:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@२ तकर पेप्सी: Then you are a paid editor because you are an employee of the company broadcasting the show, and you are being paid, indirectly, to edit this article. See WP:PAID. You would put a tag on your user page. If you want I can do this for you, as you have disclosed it to me above. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes please do this and I'm sharing personal information to you that our team got instructions to work on Rishton Ka Manjha and Meet. But at rishton ka manjha many users did edits which was deleted by you. So I got instruction from my team to solve this. That's why I was asking to to give the Article so that I can re create it. Thank you and please let me know what should I do now. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]