Talk:The Best of Both Worlds (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

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Clean up required

This article could do with a cleanup and re-write. The plot synopsis is far too reliant on quotes and, in my opinion, does not read well.--Crais459 12:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deflector Dish Beam

Why is it the ships in First Contact can damage the Borg Cube, but not the deflector dish beam, I know they upgraded thier weapons since then, but the beam channels almost all the energy in the Enterprise-D! That should be way more powerful. One explanation I've heard proposed is the beam isn't really that powerful, as in Night Terrors a hydrogen explosion in space liberates the Enterprise-D, "proving" whereas when they use the beam it doesn't, but again the beam channels all the energy in the ship, which uses dilithium crystals and anti-matter as fuel, much more powerful than a chemical explosion. I just don't understand. 66.189.90.207 15:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a case of the dish not being powerful enough: it is explained in the episode that the deflector dish does no damage because Picard had prior knowledge of the modifications. When he was assimilated, it allowed the Borg to adapt their shields ahead of time. In the ST:TNG novel Vendetta, another ship uses the same trick and, because they use a different method and frequency, the cube is not able to adapt its shielding ahead of time. The resulting beam blows a hole straight through the Borg ship--160.9.41.113 12:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, first of all, novels aren't canon in Star Trek. And besides frequency what about the pure raw power of the beam. It should be a case that they simply can't make a shield strong enough to resist it. It hits it way too hard. I'm not exactly sure how adjusting the frequency blocks something like this. Of course, I think I'd need more information about how a frequency stops phasers. but borg shield could adapt to photon torpedo's too, an M/AM explosion which is pure energy.

What is it the frequency of? Does the shield refresh itself so many times per second. Like how your monitor screen has a rate of how many times it redraws your screen? If so then perhaps the phaser is faster than the shield, and gets through in the split second intervals when the shield isn't up.

Some fans have extended that the Borg can adapt to anything, which is ludicrous, like being able to shrug off a death star superlaser hit, no matter how they adjusted thier shields, again they simply couldn't make a shield strong enough. The snare 05:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"so that Shelby could replace Riker"

I've pulled this:

It should be noted that the episode was originally written so that Shelby could replace Riker, because Johnathan Frakes, who played Riker, was planning to leave the show. However, after viewing the episode, Frakes was so impressed by the episode, he stayed with the show; thus, the plan to write him out was cancelled.

Anyone have a source to back this up? I don't think this is true. AlistairMcMillan 05:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not a source, but my understanding is that Picard Patrick Stewart was supposed to be the one to leave the show, in a contract/money dispute. That's why he was the one captured. Shelby was probably supposed to replace Riker so that Riker could replace Picard. --Hires an editor 22:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which in itself is odd, considering Data was third in command. Technically, he would have automatically become first officer.--Kross ^Talk 20:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same logic used in the episode as aired--Shelby, being established in the Command division of Starfleet (as noted by her uniform) and having focused her career on the study of the Borg, was a more suitable candidate for first officer at that point in time. - Pennyforth 03:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Technically, he would have automatically become first officer" why is that? there is no rule that says guarenteed promotion if your superior leaves/dies, Star fleet command can put whoever they want into any position they want. Also data was not command he was operations officer (yellow uniform) he could assume command but not permanently Smitty1337 (talk) 16:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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"I put the Borg to sleep."

As far as the final sequence of the borg, They were are at 100% power. They were put into "sleep sequence" What does everyone do at sleep sequence? they build up energy and power. If the Borg were at 100% power, and built up power? Why shouldn't the article state they overloaded and exploaded? Griffiths1900 03:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)griffiths1900[reply]

"Locutus of Borg"?

Does Picard/Locutus call himself "Locutus of Borg" or "Locutus, a Borg"? It sounded to me more like the latter. 84.71.43.87 (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's unquestionably "Locutus of Borg" in the script. Logical, since you cannot have "a" Borg in a culture that uses no mechanism to identify an individual instead of group (i.e. always "we," never "I"). Personally, I was always bothered by the idea of the Borg giving Picard a designation, since it suggests individuality. When I recently came back to this episode, several years of study later, it clicked. "Locutus" is a Latin word meaning "speaker" or "speech-giver." Therefore it is a relational definition, not an individual one. That extensional is the speaker of the Borg, sort of its ambassador, no different from an extensional identified as third of five or seven of nine or 6535 of 26590. 67.172.247.155 (talk) 06:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was "locutus, a borg" originally. Just listen to it in best of both worlds. Later it was retconned. I always hated the idea of sth. like borg gentry/royalty. Borg Queen was a good villian but absolutely incompatible with the original borg concept. Thanks a lot voyager;) KhlavKhalash (talk) 22:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What's your source for this claim? I've always heard it as "of", and I've never heard anyone claim that it was "a". DonIago (talk) 23:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment on musical score

As mentioned in the article, Ron Jones' score for this episode is widely regarded as one of the best in all of Star Trek, and I agree. I'm by no means an expert in music theory so I'd like one to comment on whether the following observation is significant enough to be in the article.

During the Picard capture sequence, Jones uses what to me is a very interesting leitmotif for each Borg that materializes on the bridge. It is a march in 3/4 time - waltz time -- instead of the universally standard 2/4 military march time.

I think this was a very effective way to combine the Borg's extremely aggressive, conquering behavior with their utterly alien nature; human armies simply don't waltz into battle, so to speak. It also suggests the stilted robotic movements of individual Borg drones. Any comments? Karn (talk) 01:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creepy. Very very creepy, and hard to identify why without (as you have done) strict musical analysis. As technically interesting as the use of the minor key in the Imperial March to induce fear. I'd like to add that the Borg are made up asymmetrically, a neat trick. The human brain likes to see symmetry. Asymmetry can trigger a response ranging from "unusual" to "frightening," dependent on context, because in the external human body distinct asymmetry usually indicates an injury or disability. This contrasts with the shape of the ship, which is not aerodynamic (no need for it in interstellar travel) but which looks "wrong" to us because all our vehicles, ships, and aircraft are of necessity aerodynamically or hydrodynamically designed. I think some of both the music and the makeup design theories probably appear in interviews with Jones and Westmore in the official magazine, if anyone wants to pull back issues. In any case, the things are scary enough to convince a ten-year-old girl to spend another ten years finding out why and lecturing about it twenty years later. They still creep me out.67.172.247.155 (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Contingency Error

In a shot at the end of the episode, you see picard look at the earth. Then you see the moon. In "Star Trek: First Contact", William Riker comments that their are living 50 miljon people on the moon. In this shot you just see the how it looks today. Not with the cities new Berlin, etc. Should this somehow be included in the main article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.197.194.125 (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem worth it in my opinion. Star Trek loves its screw ups. Why do you think it's called The Dread Canon? --Thejadefalcon ^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apparent contradiction in airdate needs to be fixed

The article text lists the week of June 18, 1990, for when Part I first aired. The infobox says Part I first aired on July 1, 1990. Neither statement is cited. postdlf (talk) 01:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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4-30-2020: Display of both TNG Season 3 and 4 Episode Templates

Message to Any Editors

On April 30 2020, I was reading the "Best of Both Worlds" article page and noticed that while the Next Generation (I.E, TNG) Season-3 episode template was shown at page bottom, the Season-4 template was not being shown. Of course, most should know that "Best" was a 2-part episode spread over two Star Trek-TNG seasons, Part-I airing as the last TNG season-3 show, and Part-II airing as the first TNG season-4 show.

In researching previous incarnations of the article page, I discovered that the Season-4 template had been edited out sometime during 2019. In restoring the season-4 template today (4-30-2020), I realized the possible reason for its being previously edited out. The first line of all seven Star Trek:TNG season templates (excluding V-T-E and show/hide) reads "Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes" -- and that's it. There's no further text on that particular line to indicate the specific season in question. In the "hide" (or collapsed) state, one would see both the season-3 and season-4 templates in their unexpanded state, but with nothing to show that these are two distinctly separate templates. Unless otherwise, I believe that may be why the season-4 template got edited out. Thru no fault of their own, that particular editor may have been confused by the appearance of both templates.

In addition to restoring the season-4 episode template, I set the display state of both the season 3 & 4 templates to "expanded", hoping it would in some way clarify that "Best of Both World" spans two seasons.

Regarding the seven TNG season episode templates themselves, I have made -NO- attempt to apply distinguishing labels to each -- for example "Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes (Season 3)" -- on the aforementioned first line of each template. But I personally feel that such a modification to the templates should be at the least taken under consideration.

Thanx-A-Lot. Stay Safe and Well. Fgf2007 (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]