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Featured articleIndia is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
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Suggestion for new section on science and technology

Hi, just a suggestion, the majority of country articles have a section for science and technology, one could be created added for India.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Already discussed about it. Look at this archived-discussion and FAQ-4. Dinesh | Talk 07:16, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2021

India, officially the Hindu Republic of India Miteshode88 (talk) 11:10, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Of course, not — DaxServer (talk to me) 11:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 September 2021

Xenxkisu (talk) 17:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Allow me to edit some errors

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 September 2021

In regional language there is language missing bhojpuri please add this 2409:4042:78F:9530:0:0:EA2:60B1 (talk) 09:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 September 2021 (2)

Remove Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya its not Hindi its a different language 71.254.10.164 (talk) 22:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It is well sourced and there is consensus for the wording. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ATP 250 Maharashtra Open - Tennis Championship

It is the only ATP level Tennis Championship of south asia. In the culture section it is mentioned as Chennai Open because it was held in Chennai prior 2016 but it is moved to Pune and now it is known as Maharashtra Open. I suggest to change Chennai Open to Maharashtra Open, it is its right name. Newton Euro (talk) 14:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi ISO

Do we have a consensus on which ISOs to be added? What was the outcome of the discussion around the opening sentence? The last discussion I see was about 2 years ago, Talk:India/Archive 45#"Also known as" the Republic of India? and Talk:India/Archive 45#Official(ly) named — DaxServer (talk to me) 14:29, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2021

27.255.53.190 (talk) 18:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I edited this because I'm from India and I love india and I have to changes 5 things pls

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. — DaxServer (talk to me) 18:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2021 (India and Bharat)

X = India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia. Change it to Y = India or Bharat, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.
Reason = Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution, see this for reference. Pyaarkarona (talk) 09:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. — DaxServer (talk to me) 09:08, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Only "India" or "India or Bharat"

This is a discussion for changing the first line of article, from (India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.)this to (India or Bharat, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya),[23] is a country in South Asia.)this, reason is "Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution, see this for reference". Pyaarkarona (talk) 09:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia relies on reliable sources, not original research in the phrasing of the Indian constitution. As a new editor with less than 100 edits, please also read WP:Main article fixation, and I don't mean this paternalistically, only sincerely. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:40, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fowler&fowler please see this for reference, this is from the official website of government of india, first line of the constitution of india on page no. 23 says "1. Name and territory of the Union.—(1) India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States." even the country's supreme court also said that bharat and india both are the official name of the nation, see this for reference. Pyaarkarona (talk) 14:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pyaarkarona: I'm sorry, you'll need to cite a reference in the format of "citation" or "cite book" or "cite web," ... with author, title, publisher, year, and other relevant information, not anonymously in a link. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fowler&fowler:Sorry i cant understand what are you asking for, as per my knowledge "citations" are used in article for reference purpose, but why does it matter, if i provide you the proof as "citation" or "direct link", i think both are same thing, main motive is to show reference, but for your satisfaction, here is your citation.[1]
Formally: Both "India" and "Bharat" are official names of the "Republic of India" as per Indian Constitution.[1] Is it correct? Now. Pyaarkarona (talk) 18:01, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Pyaarkarona: Thank you for that. Please read WP:PRIMARY which states: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. They offer an insider's view of an event, a period of history, a work of art, a political decision, ... Policy: ... Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation."

Please note further: The Constitution of India is a primary source. A government body or a court is not a secondary source.
Therefore any interpretation of the words of the Constitution of India by a court or government body is not reliable for Wikipedia's purposes.
Please note also WP:TERTIARY which states: *:Policy: Reliable tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources, and may be helpful in evaluating due weight
In this instance as all sources may not agree, we use standard tertiary sources. This constitutes footnote 23. I haven't checked but none of the sources there say, "India or Bharat, officially ...;" in any case, a preponderance do not. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS I can find more tertiary sources. Hold on. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "Constitution of India" (PDF). GOI.

"India" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan: Your comment is totally out of context here, we are not discussing "change of article's name", we are discussing to add "Bharat" as another official name in the "body" of article. Pyaarkarona (talk) 05:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fowler&fowler:as far as i understand, you are asking me proof of "Bharat" being one of the "two" official name of "Republic of India". Right??
If yes then, from your own proofs, see *Encyclopedia Britannica: India, Official Name: OFFICIAL NAME Bharat (Hindi); Republic of India (English), britannica says bharat is the second official name of "Republic of India". if you want more proofs, please let me know. and if i mis-interpret your words, then also please let me know. Pyaarkarona (talk) 05:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Did you mean Official name: Bharat (Hindi); Republic of India (English) from [1]? — DaxServer (talk to me) 06:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pyaarkarona: "totally out of context" is an unnecessary rude comment. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DaxServer: Yes. Pyaarkarona (talk) 07:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It says Hindi in the bracket. Names for India and Names of India in its official languages are probably what you are looking for. — DaxServer (talk to me) 10:11, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan: When i wrote that, i didn't find it rude, but while reading it if you find that rude, then please accept my appologies, but my stance is still same, your comment about WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply here. Pyaarkarona (talk) 07:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It makes sense to mention Bharat as well, since that seems to be the commonname in India. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DaxServer:i can't understand, whether you support this or oppose, "Bharat" was selected as alternate name for "Republic of India" along with "India" as mentioned by me above and also wikipedia itself at Names for India, and about languages, you can check at Names of India in its official languages that each language in india just has different way to pronounce the very same word "Bharat". Pyaarkarona (talk) 10:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pyaarkarona: Only when a preponderance of reliable tertiary sources (not one or two or three) state something like: India or Bharat, officially Republic of India (Bharat Ganrajya) ..." can we change. Preponderance means "an abundance, a great number, a large quantity, a majority. (OED)" We get these kinds of requests all the time. Please examine the archives. We cannot interpret the Indian Constitution (that would be original research, nor can we rely on the Indian government or the Indian supreme court interpreting the Constitution (because a primary source can only be interpreted by reliable secondary sources which neither the government nor the courts are. Only when scholarly secondary sources do so (i.e. when the interpretation is reliable) and the trend is reflected in reliable tertiary sources (i.e. the interpretation has due weight) can we change. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fowler&fowler:i dont where is the issue laging behind, does my explaination have problems or your understanding has, i just cant figure this out. see, in simple words, India and bharat both are common names for "Republic of India", and as far as i understand, you want a reliable source which will the same line as i do, right?? so please see your own wikipedia article Names for India and Names of India in its official languages, if you are still not satisfied then see this and this, second sources doesn't qoute any court's statement, one thing to be clear here, i can just show you news article mentioning both india and bharat but this is a fact that these news article aren't published on their own, they must have a background to publish something, so they must qoute some event, and if these news portal quote supreme court of india then what can i do?? these is a fact that they have to quote something to write news and they are quoting supreme court, no one can find news article without any quoted sources, which i think you are asking to find, so please see this again, i think this is enough to prove that india has a second name "bharat" which is accepted all over india as country's alternative name. Pyaarkarona (talk) 13:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Pyaarkarona: I'm sorry this is as far as I go in patiently explaining Wikipedia policy to you. This is a featured article that means that although anyone can edit it, it has gone through some exacting reviews, and care is required in making changes. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bharat is barely used in English to refer to India. It is an endonym in Hindi but this is the English Wikipedia. India (Hindi: Bhārat) should be more acceptable considering the lead sentence does translate Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya). I think that would be fairly uncontroversial, unless the inclusion of Bhārat Gaṇarājya merits scrutiny too. 2001:8F8:172B:442F:80E5:6ADC:7DB8:EE7 (talk) 13:56, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All good points, but notions of consistency in WP are limited to article titles and the (regional) variety of English being used in a range of similar articles, not to logical consistency within the text. More importantly, "Republic of India (Bharat Ganrajya) is mentioned because a preponderance of reliable tertiary sources does so; the sources don't say "India or Bharat," or "India (Hindi: Bharat);" they say only "India, officially ..." i.e. with the exception of a small minority. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS Scouring my memory for past discussions, there is another problem. Saying "officially Republic of India (Hindi: Bharat Ganrajya)" is fine because Hindi and English are the two official languages of the union (i.e. of the federal government of India). But "India" is the common name. Editors have asked in the past, "Why should Hindi be favored among India's many languages in an English-language common name?" Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:25, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fowler&fowler:i think your question has two answers, first you already given yourself, that hindi is the official language of the union along with english. second answer would be that hindi is the most used language in india, almost 52% people of india speaks hindi as their primary language. so i think the "Hindi" version of india i.e Bharat, must be written in the article as "India or Bharat" i am not talking to change the article's title as "Bharat" so the (english wikipedia) thing will not applicable, because we would be just using "bharat" for making wikipedia factually correct. Pyaarkarona (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fowler&fowler's List of Tertiary Sources for India's name, short and long

List for India's name, short and long, unofficial and official

Tertiary sources

International Organizations

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