User talk:EireAviation
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October 2021
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed maintenance templates from Cork Airport. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Please see Help:Maintenance template removal for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thank you. The Banner talk 17:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Dublin Airport, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. The Banner talk 17:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello, again it's noted your behaviour of bulk removal of edits, you now have multiple users attempting to repair the damage you are inflicting on pages. Sources are provided you bulk remove and can't be bothered to check the updated sources provided. Your vandalism will continue to be reverted. EireAviation (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- I advice you to stop removing maintenance templates when you want to keep your editing privileges. And start adding independent sources instead of related ones. The Banner talk 22:07, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Threat noted, to clarify you discount the sources of both airports and airlines. Can you provide the associated Wikipedia policy for this direction of targeted vandalism you are inflicting? This is quite a laughable proposition, you place better source needed next to services such as DLH DUB-FRA which has operated since 1967, the airline's website confirms this, the airport's website confirms this but you need a new article published to satisfy you? Quite remarkable. EireAviation (talk) 22:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- The targeted vandalism is of your hand by refusing to provide independent sources conform WP:RS and removing source requests repeatedly. The Banner talk 22:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- And why are you so afraid of giving independent sources? The Banner talk 22:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Further to your initial threat of my edit privileges being affected, you are engaging in an aggressive manner. Your edits are utterly confusing, multiple sources are being provided. Nowhere in WP:RS is it stated that in transportation terms, specifically aviation, that airlines or airports are unreliable in source. If you wish to stand over this direction of editing, simplify at which point you believe WP:RS is being broken. As for your latter statement, it is juvenile in nature and not related to the points above. EireAviation (talk) 22:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- So you think that related sources and/or no sources at all are better then independent sources? The Banner talk 23:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Again, you have made a direct point that it is not possible to remove these templates and refer to WP:RS I am asking you to refer to which basis of this you are using to vandalise Wikipedia, you made the point that I may lose edit privileges, I ask for the third time which part of WP:RS have I infringed upon. EireAviation (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- You have a lot of accusations but alas, no policy based arguments. You seem to prefer an unreliable Wikipedia. The Banner talk 23:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Going around in circles. For future reference, unless a Wikipedia policy states otherwise, I'd refrain from ad-hoc off your own bat under the guise of said policy from questioning verifiable sources, with above it is noted your edit warring had no basis under said policy. 23:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, we are going around in circles because you refuse to answer why unsourced/sourced with related sources is better than sourcing with independent sources. And you are fighting reliability everywhere. The Banner talk 00:18, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
You are the individual who referred to WP:RS a broad policy in nature, this is now my fourth attempt to ask you explicitly where WP:RS has been broken by my edits. I have provided multiple sources; you are discrediting sourcing from airlines and airports on no basis that exists in WP:RS. If there is one, refer to it and engage, instead of random commentary asking for opinions. I work with policy, you claim to. EireAviation (talk) 00:21, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ow, and to help you:
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources, section overview: Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish only the analysis, views, and opinions of reliable authors, and not those of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves.
- Wikipedia:Independent sources: Identifying and using independent sources (also called third-party sources) helps editors build non-promotional articles that fairly portray the subject, without undue attention to the subject's own views. Using independent sources helps protect the project from people using Wikipedia for self-promotion, personal financial benefit, and other abuses. Reliance on independent sources ensures that an article can be written from a balanced, disinterested viewpoint rather than from the subject's own viewpoint or from the viewpoint of people with an axe to grind. Emphasizing the views of disinterested sources is necessary to achieve a neutral point of view in an article. It also ensures articles can catalog a topic's worth and its role and achievements within society, rather than offering a directory listing or the contents of a sales brochure.
- I hope this offers an insight... The Banner talk 00:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Cork Airport, you may be blocked from editing. The Banner talk 09:01, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- As in deliberate removal of sources to make a point. The Banner talk 09:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Your pattern of behaviour is there for all to see above, as well as with edits. You state no sources added, a laughable statement as you bulk removed said sources from multiple edits in what was clearly disruptive behaviour. You then went round in circles asking for personal opinions on sourcing outside the scope of WP:RS. You are using a wide scope policy, that has no basis here, you are independently self-determining this policy and arriving at the stand point that airlines and airports are unreliable in sourcing. If you have a direct basis, using WP:RS to state this I have asked you. You then bulk copy and paste from said policy. At this point, I will now seek to highlight your pattern of behaviour as it is utterly disruptive, damaging and seeks to use WP:RS out of context. EireAviation (talk) 10:42, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Dubin Airport, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Andrewgprout (talk) 11:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Dublin Airport shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Andrewgprout (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello andrewgprout, you are selectively using WP:RS to suit an agenda it does not cover. I'm withdrawing from these edits now, as clearly your only intention is to damage Wikipedia, I will now raise these issues to come to a resolution. EireAviation (talk) 11:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Shannon Airport. The Banner talk 14:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Your continued warnings would have purpose if such incidents were occurring, you may need to read the above to re-familiarise yourself with the contradiction you are leading. Have a good afternoon. EireAviation (talk) 14:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- No, my friend, you need to read the policies and guidelines that I have cited above. What you are doing is not in the best interest of the encyclopedia. Stronger, your ill founded resistance against reliability is damaging the encyclopedia. The Banner talk 14:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
ANI discussion
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Andrewgprout (talk) 06:00, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
FYI
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EireAviation. The Banner talk 12:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Look forward to it showing I have no correlation to that IP :-) EireAviation (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Blocked as a sockpuppet
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Girth Summit (blether) 13:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, that account was renamed to this EireAviation. That previous account, is not used by me so I'm struggling to see how I'm being accused of sockpuppetry when that account is dormant and is now EireAviation, the current account I use? Please advise as the account doesn't even exist for me to use. EireAviation (talk) 14:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Confirmed to Jack1985IE. I verified this independently of the sockpuppet investigation. I'm not sure why you claim Jack1985IE is dormant when it's been editing earlier this month. Yamla (talk) 14:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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{{unblock reviewed |1=I have checked and you are correct the account was active in early October, I created EireAviation as I no longer had access to that account from my PC. I believe this could have been an edit from my iPad that may have remained log in to that account, would you be able to confirm if the device is different as that is the only logical explanation I could regarding that accounts use. To clarify, the report was in relation to recent edits that are being discussed at Project Airports, which were all in relation to my EireAviation account. I stand over these edits, did not use abusive behaviour as the OP stated and as Girth Summit confirmed had no relation to me. I apologise if the impression was given that Jack1985IE was being used to engage in tactical edit wars this was never the case, and I would stand over those edits but had always assumed it had come from EireAviation. If I was being tactical I believe it would have seen the Jack1985IE used recently, however I have no intention of behaving in such a manner. I can only apologise for the confusion here, the orginal reason for me creating EireAviation was I no longer had access to Jack1985IE, I had believed that the account was closed as I registered EireAviation. [[User:EireAviation|EireAviation]] ([[User talk:EireAviation#top|talk]]) 14:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}