Talk:Ghostbusters: Afterlife

Possible name change to Ghostbusters III

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The last original film was called Ghostbusters II, back in 1989. I was wondering if the 2020 version would have a similar name but with III on the end of it. If so, would i be able to move the page in the near future. D Eaketts (talk) 18:48, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Let's wait until we actually get a title from the producers. Everyone's guessing it will be 3 or III, but we have no strong assurances eitherway. --Masem (t) 20:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

That's why i said possible name change in the near future but i will keep an eye out over the the next year. D Eaketts (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Redirect

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According to WP:NFF, "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no 'sure thing' production. Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available. Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun."

That being said, it's too soon for this film to have its own article on Wikipedia since principal photography hasn't begun yet. According to this source from MovieWeb dated June 4, 2019, "According to a new report, production on Ghostbusters 3 is set to begin on July 14, (2019) in Calgary, Canada." Right now it is currently June and the film is in pre-production, meaning principal photography hasn't begun yet. Unless there are other reliable sources that confirm that principal photography for this film has begun, I suggest that this article should be redirected to Ghostbusters (franchise)#Ghostbusters 3 (2020) for the time being as per WP:NFF.

@Kaito Nakamura: would you please comment on this discussion per WP:BRD? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 21:21, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

NFF is a guideline, not a policy. Nor can it overright the principle notability guideline, WP:GNG. NFF is important to stop articles on the first hint of a movie project that will be poorly sourced or discussed for months, but when you have a project like GB3 which has already attention and criticism, that's enough to push it over the GNG. Yes, principle filming hasn't started, the project could be canned before then, and as which case we can figure out redirects, but it is stil achieved enough attention for a standalone article. --Masem (t) 22:54, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation of WP:GNG, Masem. I'm convinced now that this article can be its own standalone article. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 23:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you to both Hitcher vs. Candyman and Masem for reaching a positive and solid conclusion to the negotiation of the issue. I would like to apologize for this late comment on the resolved issue and also if any comments I have made sounded aggressive whilst editing the article Ghostbusters 3 (2020). As all other Wikipedia editors should, I always attempt to edit/create articles in the most appropriate and acceptable method possible, whilst still maintaining guidelines such as WP:NFF and many more. --Kaito Nakamura 08:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Trailer

This is probably one of the rare articles where the trailer should be discussed, particularly its reception which from what I remember was polarised between fans of the original and people upset it dismissed the terrible, terrible reboot. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 13:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Was it more the trailer or the fact Reitman came out and said it would ignore 2016 GB? That's what got Leslie Jones upset, and that we have in here. If there's other commentary that could be added there, its possible but keep in mind the counter-statements that Reitman and Feig said to temper those complaining about it. --Masem (t) 14:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I imagine view count of the trailer and general feedback. I do recall a lot of commentary about it, the comparison to the 2016 film was a part of that but not the entirety. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 14:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Which Reitman

In some parts I'm not sure which Reitman you mean - director Jason whether producer Ivan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.5.15.18 (talk) 06:41, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Official confirmation of the title "Afterlife"

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Where was the official confirmation of the title "Ghostbusters: Afterlife"? TheBigMan720 (talk) 05:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

All sources that I've seen point to a BBC classification website related to a trailer aimed to come out this week or next, which is nowhere close to official. If the trailer does confirm the title, then that's fine, but not the classficiation site. --Masem (t) 06:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

I would clarify myself: that was the BBFC classification board, but still the same issue. If the trailer is out in a few days, we can wait until that confirms. --Masem (t) 18:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay then why did someone put the title "Ghostbusters: After Life" should we just wait for the official announcement first? TheBigMan720 (talk) 06:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Also in the BBC report it shows a different release date too. So we can't rely on the BBC report. TheBigMan720 (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Just to point out you guys appear to be confusing the BBC with the BBFC. Gistech (talk) 22:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. How can you guys stop random IP’s from changing the title constantly?TheBigMan720 (talk) 02:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Is Vanity Fair official enough?--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Ghostbusters: Afterlife's alternate names

None of the trailers call it Ghostbusters III or 3 in the actual trailer. It's either "Ghostbusters: Afterlife" or "Ghostbusters: Legacy". ‎Wikipedia editors should be more mad than I am about it. Citation needed for the Ghostbusters III/Ghostbusters 3 name before being listed. What trailers say in them "Ghostbusters 3"? A link is needed. Thanks. Devilmanozzy (talk) 06:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Also adding, note user Scriptboy12 previous contributions (1 edit), (2 edit), (3 edit), (4 edit... No Ghostbusters 3 named in that article by Vanity Fair), etc. The guy is "owning" the article. Devilmanozzy (talk) 06:33, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

There is a point that before the official Afterlife name, journalists were using one of both Ghostbusters 3 and Ghostbusters 2020 to refer to the film. At least with GB 2020, this was always known to be a placeholder title, but people may be only aware of that title for the film and will not necessarily see that connection. It can be -- but it gets complex here due to the secondary official name - to include those placeholder titles. --Masem (t) 06:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm just tired of seeing this wikipedia page referenced when saying "Ghostbusters 3". Ghostbusters 3 ended years ago in 2014. It was called "Ghostbusters 2020", and now it's "Ghostbusters: Afterlife"/"Ghostbusters: Legacy". I gave up a while back trying to work with Wikipedia as you have to live here to make anything stick. I'm asking for the actual editors here to either put a citation on it or keep it off the page. It's very bothersome and misleading. You got people using the page as a self made reference. Be aware of this. Devilmanozzy (talk) 08:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

"Ghostbusters: Legacy" redirects here (but this alternate title is not listed here),~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:C22:BC19:C900:51D:2A0:3174:A14B (talk) 09:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Budget???

I really wanted to know the budget of this film and I checked the usual places[1][2] and more but I have not yet found any sources that just state it outright. Say what you will about the 2016 film but the big budget made it far more difficult for it to become a financial success, and without a budget figure it will be difficult to say objectively if this film was successful or not. Keep in mind, Jason Reitman has directed various films and generally speaking the budgets have been below $20 million but presumably an effects heavy film like Ghostbusters is going to cost considerably more than the films he has directed in the past, so I'd have been very surprised if the budget was any less than $50 million. In one interview Reitman did say the budget "was about a third the cost of a typical Marvel outing"[3] but what does a typical Marvel outing cost? If you look at the budgets for MCU films listed at The-Numbers.com then we are looking at $150 million to $200 million, which gives us a ballpark figure of $50-66 million. That sort of estimate is interesting but I don't think it is good enough for an encyclopaedia article.

I expect Sony will admit what the budget was if the film performs well at the box office. I guess we will have to wait and see how strong the opening weekend is and if reliable sources say anything about the budget. -- 109.79.168.197 (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

That didn't take long. Variety reported that the film cost $75 million [4] -- 109.79.178.223 (talk) 01:50, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Box office projections say the film should make about $30 million in its opening weekend, and by normal standards making back half its budget at the domestic box office would be a great result. But these are not normal times so we will have to wait and see. -- 109.76.211.174 (talk) 12:54, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Plot?

Are we waiting for tomorrow when the film drops in the US, or can we add a proper Plot section now, given the film has already released in some territories (like the U.K.)? giftheck (talk) 16:01, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd have posted it after it was shown in Venice if could have. I dont see any reason to wait. -- 109.76.211.174 (talk) 00:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so here's what I've got. Trying to keep it within the 700-word limit.

Plot

37 years after the Manhattan Crossrip, Egon Spengler has moved to Summerville in Oklahoma, where Gozer cultist Ivo Shandor had built a mine and the town. Egon captures a ghost in the mines of Ivo Shandor, aiming to use it to lure a larger ghost to his farm, where he has set a trap for it. The trap fails, and Egon is killed by the ghost.

Callie, Egon’s estranged daughter, and her two children, Trevor and Phoebe, are evicted from their home and forced to move into Egon’s farm in Summerville. Trevor meets Lucky, a local girl working in a diner, and Phoebe is enrolled in the local school, where she is left under the care of Gary Grooberson, her teacher. Janine Melnitz informs Callie that Egon left behind a large amount of debt.

While sorting through Egon’s belongings, Phoebe finds a PKG Meter and is led by an unseen ghost to a ghost trap, while Trevor finds Ecto-1. Lucky takes Trevor atop the mountain, where he reveals why his family has moved to Summerville. A ghost escapes the mines.

Phoebe brings the ghost trap to school to show to her friend, Podcast, where Gary unveils that Summerville has been suffering daily earthquakes despite not sitting on a fault line, tectonic plate or volcano. Gary, Phoebe and Podcast open the ghost trap and the ghost within escapes into town.

Phoebe is led by the unseen ghost to an underground lair where Egon kept his ghostbusting equipment. Realising that the ghost is Egon, Phoebe mends a proton pack under his direction and tests it the next day, encountering the metal-eating ghost Muncher inside a factory. Muncher escapes capture and flees into Summerville, where Phoebe and Podcast meet with Trevor in a repaired Ecto-1. They give chase and successfully capture Muncher, but are arrested by the police for property damage and Ecto-1 and the ghostbuster gear is confiscated. She contacts Ray Stantz, who reveals that Egon had stolen Ecto-1 and the majority of the Ghostbusters’ gear ten years after the Manhattan Crossrip incident before moving to Summerville, in the belief that Gozer was going to attempt to return again.

Trevor, Phoebe, Lucky and Podcast return to the mine, entering from atop the mountain. Inside the mine, they find a temple dedicated to the resurrection of Gozer. They also find the body of Ivo Shandor, and a trap Egon had set up to contain any potential incursion by Gozer.

Gary and Callie are possessed by Vince Clortho the Keymaster and Zuul the Gatekeeper, respectively, and run to Ivo Shandor’s mine. The Keymaster destroys Egon’s trap, allowing Gozer to manifest and Ivo Shandor to wake up. Gozer kills Shandor and takes her throne in the temple. Phoebe, Trevor, Lucky and Podcast discover Egon’s plan to trap Gozer, and gear up and enter the mine again to enact it. Podcast traps Zuul, casuing Gover’s form to falter. Callie is restored, and they flee the mine to Egon’s farm in order to draw Gozer there. The trap fails, and Gozer breaks Zuul out of the ghost trap. Zuul possesses Lucky, and Gozer is restored.

Venkman, Ray and Winston arrive to aid the Spenglers in stopping Zuul, but Zuul is able to break free by uncrossing their streams. Phoebe attempts to save them by herself. The ghost of Egon materialises beside her to help. Trevor powers the trap with his proton pack, and the traps are triggered, trapping Gozer, Zuul and Vince Clortho within them. Egon embraces Callie, Trevor and Phoebe, and acknowledges his former colleagues before vanishing into the afterlife.

In a mid-credits scene, Dana Barrett submits Venkman to the psychic test from the first film. In a post-credits scene, Winston has brought Ecto-1 back to New York and meets with Janine, before returning to the firehouse.

Needs a bit of polish, but I think this captures all the major points. giftheck (talk) 22:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I dont see any reason to wait. Please note WP:FILMPLOT "Mid- and post-credit scenes should generally not be included in the plot summary." Also MOS:NUMERAL better to use the word instead of the number in plot section. -- 109.76.211.174 (talk) 00:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Gozer played by Emma Portner

Pre-release, the article stated that Olivia Wilde was playing Gozer. This was the source: https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/exclusive-olivia-wilde-ghostbusters.html

I can't speak to the usual validity of this publication, because this is the first time I have encountered it, but every publication that repeats Wilde's casting as Gozer seems to list it as their source. The article's own source states that 'our source tells us she's playing Gozer'. No mention of who the source is, which makes this dubious at best. When this is the 'trusted and confirmed' sources, which certainly just looks like a 'leaks and scoops' page, it definitely brings this article into doubt as a verifiable source. I'm actually kind of surprised this hasn't been brought up sooner.

Wilde is not credited in the film's end credits. Emma Portner is. This can be backed up by one of the reviews of the film: https://www.fwweekly.com/2021/11/17/afterlife-give-up-the-ghost/ Any attempt to suvert this and say it's 'clearly' Wilde even though she's not credited and the one original source saying she's playing the role is of dubious reliability seems to constitute WP:OR. giftheck (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm actually kind of surprised this hasn't been brought up sooner. I'm not surprised at all, this article was full of basic formatting errors, and content errors almost inevitable follow technical errors. That's Wikipedia for you, but at least we can fix it. Giantfreakinrobot.com is a site from the guy who originally founded CinemaBlend.com and although I wish it was more reliable and rigorous they are only as unreliable as most other web publishers, like Screenrant and CBR.com etc. They are clearly wrong here, out of date at best. Anyone who has seen the film should be able to tell it is clearly not Wilde even without reading the end credits. I would have noticed if Olivia Wilde was credited, I was watching the credits carefully to make sure if I'd heard right and Shohreh Aghdashloo did in fact voice Gozer. -- 109.76.211.174 (talk) 12:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It seems overnight she's been added in (and marked as uncredited) with two different sources: the ihorror one, which directed back to the giantfreakinrobot source, and the screenrant source, which just states she is without providing any further information or evidence to corroborate. Can screenrant be considered a reliable source for this, since it doesn't verify the assertion? giftheck (talk) 09:19, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

"Unconfirmed reports prior to Ghostbusters: Afterlife's release alleged that Olivia Wilde (House, Vinyl) would be playing Gozer. Those rumors did turn out to be true, as Wilde does indeed play Gozer." That's all the article says. It doesn't back it up. It doesn't say 'she was uncredited but her appearance was confirmed by such and such publication'. Other publications (such as comicbook.com) also make this assertion with nothing to back it up. While I have no issue with attributing the role properly, all I have seen so far is a dew outlets saying 'yeah, it's her', possibly because of that rumour. To that end, does it not sink into WP:OR territory to say that Wilde is playing Gozer, since the film does not credit her, and no publication can actually certifiably say this is the case by backing up their claim? giftheck (talk) 14:28, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:RSPS Screenrant is only "marginally reliable". You can tag it {{better source needed}} I guess. -- 109.78.207.200 (talk) 04:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Quote changed

Not sure if malicious vandalism or good faith incompetence but an editor modified quoted text without explanation. (I checked the Vanity Fair article the quote was correct and should not have been changed.) It is too late to cleanly revert the edit[5] and too difficult to fix from my mobile device. I hope someone will try to manually revert it and check to see if the edit made any other mistake. (I won't be in a position to fix it myself today.) -- 109.76.211.174 (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

The game is not canon to Afterlife

Years ago, Dan Akroyd said Ghostbusters the Video Game was canon. However, there's several continuity issues that arise if you're looking at Ghostbusters: Afterlife:

• Egon steals the Ghostbusters equipment in 1994 after years of trying to convince his fellow Ghostbusters to prepare for Gozer's return. Now, the game is set in 1991, but there's also the fact that, inscribed in the Gozerian temple in the film are the years Gozer will attempt to return. 1991 is not up there.
• Given the above, it makes no sense for Gozer's return to be ignored by the Ghostbusters, given they had just thwarted a second such attempt.
• Ivo Shandor becomes the main antagonist in the game but is destroyed at the end. In the film, Ivo Shador has been buried in the Gozerian temple within his mine and only comes back to life when Gozer is released.
• No mention is made of any expansion of the Ghostbusters business. The film actually states it collapsed because of Egon's actions.
• Shandor's skull is found by the Ghostbusters, this would be impossible if his body, fully-intact, is in Summerville.
• According to Ray, it has been over 30 years since the last ghosts appeared. Since 1993 (when the game takes place) is 'after' that time, it means he's talking about Vigo being the last incident.
• Gozer is supposedly permanently destroyed in the game.

Therefore, I would argue that, with these inconsistencies, the game is no longer canon, or at least is not canon to Afterlife. It would still be in continuity with the first two films, that's not up for debat. Just not Afterlife. giftheck (talk) 19:38, 20 November 2021 (UTC)