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The False California Republic

The so-called "California Republic" never existed except in the minds of a small number of people who tried to found a separate country in 1846 but never actually did.

Nevertheless, like the long-discredited Bering Strait theory, the idea that California was an independent country before it was annexed by the United States persists despite the fact it never existed as people "remember" it.

There was a revolt against Mexican rule in what was then northwestern Alta California. It involved what are now parts of two counties, never exercised any authority beyond that original, tiny area -- recall that Alta California in 1846 included what are now California, Nevada, Utah, the western half of Colorado, and parts of Wyoming and Arizona. So the little tiny Bear Flag Revolt and proclamation of the California Republic was never going to go anywhere.

Otherwise, the California Republic opted to write its own obituary when its "government" discovered the United States had invaded Alta California and was on its way to conquer San Francisco. So, with the United States bound to take over the area, the Americans who had tried and failed to create their own country in Sonoma County threw in the towel and declared themselves for the USA.

Thus, the bit about "Before Statehood: California Republic" in the infobox should be deleted and never restored. It is pure fiction.

2601:645:C300:3950:15D1:C66E:7FA6:1DCF (talk) 04:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. So two things will need to happen: First, you're going to need to come back here, armed with some reliable sources and second, you're going to need to convince any and all interested editors that your sources are more reliable than the numerous sources that back the existing content. John from Idegon (talk) 04:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

I hope you realise that we have a whole article on the California Republic. That article does pretty much agree with your description, although it does use the words "... that for 25 days...militarily controlled an area..." Perhaps that means it did exist? It certainly wasn't a major, recognised entity. HiLo48 (talk) 04:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@John from Idegon and HiLo48: I agree with the original post that California, as a whole, never was a separate republic. The infobox as written does not accurately reflect the true history. While it might be correct to say "a" California Republic existed in and around Sonoma, California for 25 days, it is misleading to say the entire state of California existed as a republic. Even if the brief California Republic is thought to encompass the entire state, it only lasted for 25 days, and then was replaced by U.S. military oversight. Between July, 1846, and February, 1848, The U.S. and Mexico were at war, and the best you can say is California remained a disputed territory, but most historical accounts state that California was officially a part of Mexico until the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Once the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed the entire state become part of a U.S. possession called the Mexican Cession, without any formal state or territorial designation. California became a state before any of the Mexican Cession lands were set up as organized territories. I propose changing the infobox to read "Before statehood: Mexican Cession unorganized territory". Prior to that it was part of Mexico. If there are no objections, I will make the change. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 23:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The Bear is Extinct

The Californian bear is Extinct Cameron871 (talk) 21:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes. See California grizzly bear. Killiondude (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hispanic Whites

Under demographics, "Hispanic Whites" links to two separate pages: one for "Hispanic White Americans" and one for "White Americans." Should it just link to the former? JanaFisher (talk) 06:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

California is also right now top on Covid-19 casaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.139.75.29 (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2020

"The San Francisco Bay Area PSA" -> "The San Francisco Bay Area CSA" 73.71.4.190 (talk) 01:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 22:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Ancestry Table

Pardon me, but this Ancestry table appears near useless, with obvious bias.

Key problems: -Other is the largest group (24M), well over half. -African ancestry includes only 270,000, when easily 4M+ have some African ancestry -Hardly any major Asian ancestries are included, e.g., Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Viet, Persian, Khmer, Hmong, Thai are all missing. -Where are the millions of people of Mexican / Mestizo descent? -"Afghan" is not an ethnicity - how about Pashto, Dari, Tajik I am sure there are many more issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N Meron (talk • contribs) 22:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

• @N Meron: I agree with your assessment. Also, since there is another Main Article that covers the Demographics of California in more detail, I don't see a need to repeat it in this article. I suggest it be deleted from the main article on California, and leave it in the more detailed Demographics of California article. Hopefully someone with more background and interest in demographics can determine how to better represent the ancestry data in the demographics article. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 22:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Agree re deleting table; Demographics of California has sensible data that appears to be sourced.N Meron (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

Request: revert the edits made by "พุทธ สุวรรณวัฒน์". 73.157.115.95 (talk) 08:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Largest consumer of water

"California is the largest consumer of water on the entire continent of North America." - What does this mean? California would be expected to consume more water than any other state or province, because it has a larger population. If this is what is meant, it should be stated. Or does California consume more water than the entire country of Mexico? 2601:640:4000:3170:58DE:B187:88CC:7BD2 (talk) 16:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The answer to your last question is likely yes. The state is one of the largest producers of food for the country and even exports internationally. However, this should be cited and some light googling right now didn't find anything to support it as far as North America is concerned. [1] compares to other US states. Killiondude (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

Please add Baja California to the Californian Geographical Subsection: Region. Baja is a critical part of Californian cultural history and ancestral demographics to more than 66% of the local population in the city of (east) Orange. This, of course, is not about politics but, rather, California's international imagery (Cali's akin to the 16th centuries version of Apple/Google). Thank you!! I appreciate that you protect the Californian image and promote its associations with care.

Best, Matthew Hanley Hanley-Lines (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: There are currently multiple references and links to Baja California throughout the article. However, this article is primarily about the US state of California, which does not include Baja, and adding Baja to the list of Californian regions seems misleading for the topic of this article, regardless of the history involved. You may want to look at the article on The Californias instead. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: Clarification in main paragraph

In the opening paragraph for the article, it says "Los Angeles County is the country's most populous followed by San Diego County…" However, that makes it sound like San Diego is the second-most populous county in the country, which it is not, according to List_of_the_most_populous_counties_in_the_United_States. Instead, perhaps it should say something like, "Los Angeles County is the country's and the state's most populous, followed in the state by San Diego County…" Thanks. GrantBarrett (talk) 18:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

 Removed the trivial mention of San Diego county altogether.

Please use {{edit semi-protected}} to make an edit request next time. It might result in quicker action. Idell (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021

In 1st paragraph change:

"Los Angeles County is the country's most populous, while San Bernardino County is the largest county by area in the country"

to:

"Los Angeles County is the country's most populous, while San Bernardino County is the largest county by area in the contiguous US states" KnowledgeAmplifier (talk) 19:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Question. ...why say "contiguous US states"? Is there a bigger one in Alaska/Hawaii? .Moxy- 01:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Alaska doesn't have counties, and LA county is larger than the largest county in Hawaii. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Why is the California Republic not included in the "Before statehood section"

Its includes Unrecognized territory and Mexican cession but no the Republic. Why is this seemingly grazed over when it should be in that section and possibly the only one in that section?