Talk:The Book of Boba Fett

Book of Boba Fett confirmed to have wrapped filming

Ming Na-Wen has confirmed on Twitter that The Book of Boba Fett has completed filming with the hashtag #wrapgift: https://twitter.com/MingNa/status/1402290182779375618?s=20

I hope we can add this information into the show's wiki page.

And, this is not the first time Ming Na-Wen has said filming on The Book of Boba Fett has wrapped. She also said filming on the series wrapped earlier last week during an interview on a 501st Legion Fan Charity Livestream at around 6 hours and 56 minutes in: https://twitter.com/501stLegion/status/1401480174126858243?s=20.

Release date source

RossButsy Please stop changing a valid third party source to the primary StarWars.com one. Absolutely no reason to be doing this, and you are now edit-warring. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

“Primary” “Third party” I mean you’ve just proven my point. My edits are completely righteous. RossButsy (talk) 15:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

How so? Please familiarize yourself with WP:PSTS, WP:INDEPENDENT, and Wikipedia:Identifying and using self-published works as you seem to be uninformed regarding this. StarWars.com is a self-published/primary source, and should generally be avoided to cite material in Star Wars-related articles when independent, reliable, third-party sources (such as the trades: Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and Deadline) present the same information. That is the case here, and your actions are viewed as being disruptive in addition to edit warring. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

You’re not worth my time. RossButsy (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

You wasted the time of three editors with your disruptive editing. You don't get to be huffy about whether your time is worth the discussion. Rusted AutoParts 20:25, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

See also

I believe some aspects will be taken from Tales from Jabba's Palace and Tales of the Bounty Hunters, so I am not sure if we should be including a see also to those, or some kind of note to those two books. Govvy (talk) 10:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

If there are reliable sources now or once episodes release that definitely connect those to what occurs in the series (not just speculate), then yeah, sounds like a good idea to add them as See Alsos if they aren't integrated into the actual article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Cinemotagrapher

Please add David Klein as one of the two cinematographers that photographed this project. Klein shot 5 of 7 episodes and Cundey shot 2. I can put you in touch with them personally or their representatives if necessary. Thank you.

This does not require an administrator.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

You are literally asking a mod to add in information you refuse to provide a source for? That’s seriously all you need to do: link a non-IMDB reliable source. Stop coming back after a certain amount of time to put Klein back in unsourced, stop asking mods to do it for you, source it. Rusted AutoParts 01:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Right on. Understood, thank you and info is much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakafett (talk • contribs) 08:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

The Lead

I think the lead should be changed to this and i am open to discussion.

The Book of Boba Fett is an American space Western television series created by Jon Favreau for the streaming service Disney+. It is part of the Star Wars franchise and is a spin-off from the series The Mandalorian. It stars Temuera Morrison as the title character and Ming-Na Wen as Fennec Shand, with both actors reprising their roles from The Mandalorian and other Star Wars media. It takes place after the events of Return of the Jedi and exists alongside the other series The Mandalorian and Ahsoka.

Several attempts were made at developing a standalone Star Wars film centered on Boba Fett before Lucasfilm began prioritizing its streaming series such as The Mandalorian. A potential spin-off series was first reported in November 2020 and was officially announced in December. Filming had begun by that point, and lasted until June 2021. It premiered on December 29, 2021, and will run for seven episodes until February 9, 2022.

There should be no citation in the lead unless it is a quote. (WP:LEADCITE) This article only needs two paragraphs because it is fewer than 15,000 charaters. (WP:LEADLENGTH)

Also I think this sentence, It stars Temuera Morrison as the title character and Ming-Na Wen as Fennec Shand, with both reprising their roles from The Mandalorian and other Star Wars media. Can be changed to, It stars Temuera Morrison as the title character Boba Fett, who is a bounty hunter and crime lord, and Ming-Na Wen as Fennec Shand, who is an elite mercenary and assassin, with both reprising their roles from The Mandalorian and other Star Wars media. But that seem a bit clunky. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 02:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

We can vote on it. Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 02:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

You need to give an explanation for why you want to make the changes, and we don't tend to have voting like that unless there is a clear proposal or set of options (and even then there is usually a discussion first). If you have an issue with the current lead format (which is pretty standard for TV articles) then please raise those specific issues here and allow an actual discussion to take place. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: Gotcha, and the reason is because I think it looks better like that because some of the sentences in the lead look clunky like this one “It is part of the Star Wars franchise, taking place after the events of Return of the Jedi (1983), and is a spin-off from the series The Mandalorian featuring the crime lord and bounty hunter Boba Fett from that series and other Star Wars media.“ The lead I want to change it to really doesn’t change it that much either. But we don’t have to do it I’m just throwing a suggestion out there. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

The Book of Boba Fett poster

Can I upload an image of the actual poster ore is there a reason we are specifically using the logo. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

It is pretty standard practice for TV series articles to use the logo. If we get multiple seasons of this series and make individual season articles we can use the poster then. You can see an example of this with the Mandalorian articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97:Thanks for the response. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

A photograph of the poster at an off angel can be consider fair use, but I think there is still a grey area there. Govvy (talk) 17:29, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Govvy: I’m confused by what you said. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:50, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

If took a photo like the one in the info box on the Piccadilly Circus, of the poster, fair use. etc. Govvy (talk) 18:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Black Krrasantan

Pretty sure Black Krrasantan isn't confirmed to be the Wookie bounty hunter, even with the fan speculation likely pointing to it being him. That being said, should we keep Black Krrasantan in the recap of the episode and add him to the cast and characters list(even if we don't know the actor), or should we remove him from the article until we get confirmation it's him in a future announcement or episode? JDA 78 (talk) 18:05, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

When I was putting in information for the reception on the second episode I saw a bunch of reliable sources say it was him. So I say keep it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:25, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Here is one from Polygon. I know there are others too. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:29, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Just found a confirmed source for Krrasantan https://tvline.com/2022/01/06/book-of-boba-fett-video-temuera-morrison-ming-na-wen-hutts-krrsantan-wookiee/. Safe to say we add him even though we may not know the actor JDA 78 (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Tusken Cast

The cast should include the Tusken Cheftain (Xavier Jimenez), Tusken Warrior (Joanna Bennett), and Tusken Kid (Wesley Kimmel). Considering their role, much bigger than others listed as "Cast".

@JDA 78: Is their a reliable source to back this up? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:53, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: The episode credits, I believe. Loqiical (talk) 07:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@Loqiical: Can you use end scene credits as a source? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

It's clear to add in, go for it. Admenwino (talk) 03:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Error

It says Cite error: A list-defined reference named "EpisodeReleaseWeekly" is not used in the content (see the help page). But I can not find a reference of that name can someone help? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

It was in "Release" and it's been restored. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Krrasanten

Are we going to say Black Krrsantan or just Krrsantan cause it seems to be getting changed constantly. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:27, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Krrsantan as that's he's been named in the series by others. Should someone name him "Black Krrsantan" we shall adjust. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright cool, I just keep seeing people change it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

For the first mention, we say Black Krrsantan (full name, as we do with other characters). Afterwards, we can just say Krrsantan. We don't say Boba Fett every time - we can just refer to him as Fett. Loqiical (talk) 05:44, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

No, you wouldn't say "Black Krrsantan" in a first instance, as he never been called such in this series as explained. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that 8D8 has been called 8D8 either. Loqiical (talk) 07:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The reference (UPI.com) does start by calling him "Black Krrsantan" though and Krrsantan thereafter. As we saw before with "Baby Yoda" the official name is not the only thing and what the audience actually call the character matters too. Conversely StarWars.com seems to be actively making an effort to call him only Krrsantan. -- 109.79.69.44 (talk) 13:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

The Baby Yoda/Grogu comparison is a poor one, as we aren't completely deviating from the character's name. Within the series he's only known as Krrsantan. It would be the same thing if Anakin Skywalker made an appearance but not Darth Vader. We wouldn't be saying Darth Vader appeared. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Favre1fan93 and others, and would like to add that even the suggestion that it be changed to mention color is pretty...icky. NOT FUCKING ONCE was there an argument/discussion as to whether we should call the only other Wookie with a notable role in Star Wars 'Brown Chewbacca' or one of the characters White 'Luke Skywalker'. If anything, this discussion really informs the rest of us how very, very ugly some 'SW' fans are, despite their protestations to the contrary. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jack Sebastian: Yo chill, people are just asking because in the comics and everywhere else they are calling him Black Krrsantan as that is his full name. Like we don’t call Chewy brown Chewy because that is not his full name. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 20:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you point out where in the episode he was called that? I think there is more than enough citable evidence that SW is pretty caucasian, where humans are concerned. And the fans? Don't even get me started. If we can avoid that ugly, ugly shit here in this article, we'd be better for it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I never said that’s what they call him in an episode. Also why you so worried about what the people’s race is in the show like it’s just a show. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

This is getting off topic. He is called "Black Krrsantan" in the comics that introduced the character so no one is being racist by asking whether we should use it. But they so far have just been saying "Krrsantan" in the series so that is what we are sticking with in the article. No need to continue this unless the series uses the full name in the next episode. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Music

The playlist for 1-4 credits tracks 1-17 to Goransson and 1-16 to Shirley, so this doesn't align with what the article currently says. Loqiical (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The article aligns with the reliable sources. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The soundtrack itself isn't reliable? Loqiical (talk) 23:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Reception

Should we keep the reception as a review of every episode like we are doing or should we change the reception to about the series as a whole? Or should we wait till the series is finished to change the reception from every episode review to as the series as a whole or not change it? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

The reception here should be on it as a whole. So it's a fine line currently given we don't have "overall" reviews, but we should be removing the individual episode reviews, yes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha and thanks. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Can we agree on that the reception was overall positive? Fresh on rotten tomatoes and 7,7 on imdb imo does not count as a mixed reception even if we take into consideration of metacritic with only 19 reviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.198.135 (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

"mixed or average reviews" -- this is literally in the reception section. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:08, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I will also add that you can see everyone has a different opinion about the show. Like one critic said the train heist scene was cool while some one else said it sucked. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

i mean this sentence in at the top . "The series has received generally mixed reviews from critics". I would not base the opinion on 19 reviews but on those 145 from critics and 1767 from users. So lets make a deal and change the sentence that series received positive reception from critics but mixed reaction from the audiences, how about that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.69.198.135 (talk) 22:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Please note MOS:TVRECEPTION. Wikipedia relies on reliable sources. IMDB is not a reliable source. Wikipedia does not use WP:UGC user generated content, such as user voted web polls so again the audience votes are not allowed. We should not mention audience response unless and until we have reliable sources. Wikipedia does use critic scores and TV ratings.

It is not unreasonable to say the reviews were mixed since Metacritic directly says so. When the final episode airs I think it might be worth (re)considering if we are not giving too much weight to Metacritic and to perhaps consider that the much larger sample of reviews is more representative and that maybe we can say overall the reviews were "generally positive" but I do think it is better to wait and see. So I sort of half agree with anon IP 62, that we should give more emphasis to the RT score. (FWIW my personal opinion of the show is not good, but the sources seem to be much more positive.) -- 109.79.172.124 (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Indirect mention of Grogu

I think that the indirect mention of Grogu at the end of episode 5 is not explicit enough to be included here, in the same way in which Djarin is not included at the end of the episode 4 summary. Any thoughts? Loqiical (talk) 08:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I say keep it as Grogu, because earlier in the episode when the Armorer is forging his beskar staff she ask him who it is too and he says Grogu. So it’s obvious he is going to visit Grogu. Whereas the situation in episode 4 you just hear music in the background indicating Shand saying “we need muscle” referring to Mando. But that’s just my thought process. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I removed it before I was aware of this discussion; I think keeping it out until we explicitly see who he's visiting, prevents us from Sherlocking our way into mistakes. I don't need to point out how many times our deductions have been completely wrong - assuming the masked man in Superman and Lois was Doomsday, or that Gotham's Jeremiah was the Joker, as well as a lot of others - all because we were in some great hurry. I have no understanding about why we bother to hurry; we are an encyclopedia, not a fan forum, newspaper or blog site. I say, we slow the hell down until a RS explicitly says so or even - radical as this might sound - just wait for the next episode to air (crazy, right?) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I dont really think it matters if his name is in there or not. I was just stating my opinion. But I agree that we should wait just in case we are wrong. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)