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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Reaper7 (talk | contribs) at 22:16, 9 April 2022 (Your opinion was it is POV, there is no consensus however.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Important to include Gaddafi and Erdogan as proponents of this conspracy theory

Gaddafi: 'We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.' [1]

Erdogan 'Go live in better neighborhoods. Drive the best cars. Live in the best houses. Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe.' [2]

Lets bring some balance to this article that is fraught with issues.Reaper7 (talk) 20:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I've had to revert your addition because none of your sources mention the great replacement explicitly, and are as such WP:OR. JBchrch talk 20:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are many sections of the article that have sources that don't mention directly the great replacement explicitly - but describe the content of the theory as do my sources which is completely acceptable such as the section on Greece for example. So I have put them back. If you wish to revert once again - revert all the others that don't mention direct the great replacement theory. You can't have it both ways. Reaper7 (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well precisely, this is why I removed the China section... which you have reverted, thereby re-introducing OR in a Wikipedia article. Great work. I'm absolutely planning on removing all OR from this article, but if you revert the edits I do, it's going to be difficult. JBchrch talk 21:34, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will watch you delete all sections that don't explicitly mention the theory, but I would advise strongly against it. If someone believes the earth is not spherical but flat - and there are articles stating he/she/it has said this - I am afraid the humanoid can be described at a flat earther on wiki even if no article has used the specific term describing him/her/it as such. This is not classed as WP:OR. As for this great replacement theory - those describing the exact theory should be included here - whether or not the article referenced included the exact term. Let us see if you continue deleting all sections that don't specifically reference the term. I have good faith you will as you appear to me not politically motivated. As I said, I will be watching. If these sections (over half the article's content) are not deleted promptly, I will assume you realised your mistake and will put back the sections I added on Turkey and Libya.To repeat, you can't have it both ways. Reaper7 (talk) 21:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree with you as a matter of reasonable discussion and debate. But as WP:SYNTH states Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source. See for instance WP:NORN § List of right-wing terrorist attacks and... well... the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mass killings under communist regimes (4th nomination). I'm not politically motivated, and honestly I'm not even sure what the political motivation would be here. As for the promptliness, I will do my best. JBchrch talk 21:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As stated, I am sure your actions, the first you have engaged on concerning this article, were not politically motivated. For someone to be politically motivated in answer to your question - I would guess it would be someone who deletes important and noted muslim premiers spelling out the theory in quotes because it goes against their belief that this theory only has evil Western proponents. The same would be the other way round, if only muslim examples were given and not Western examples. I attempted to add balance to an article fraught with problems by using to very famous examples of non-westener leaders spelling out the theory and showing their support for it. This gives much needed context and balance and most importantly represents a WP:NPOV. The question will be there as your claim of WP:OR is dubious in this case in my opinion. However I assume good faith as stated, I will be satisfied if you delete over half the article that doesn't use references that utilise the exact phrase in the title that you demand to be included. As stated, I will be watching. Reaper7 (talk) 22:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have now checked 80% of the source for the § Europe section, and removed the SYNTH sources I could find. JBchrch talk 22:42, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reaper7, what is the source for the Gaddafi quote? TrangaBellam (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here.[3][4] Doesn't matter though. Although he is literally describing the definition of The Great Replacement, there is no journalist that states that he is describing the conspiracy..(they are more interested in Western leaders sadly) so the reader of the article will never know that this conspiracy exists in the muslim world which alas is a problem with wikipedia itself. Reaper7 (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.
  2. ^ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/world/europe/erdogan-turkey-future-of-europe.html
  3. ^ https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gaddafi-quotes-the-dead-libya-dictator-275336
  4. ^ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lHWXlHFNM3UC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=We+have+50+million+Muslims+in+Europe.+There+are+signs+that+Allah+will+grant+Islam+victory+in+Europe%E2%80%94without+swords,+without+guns,+without+conquest%E2%80%94will+turn+it+into+a+Muslim+continent+within+a+few+decades.&source=bl&ots=qdwlB6nhE_&sig=ACfU3U1hYlQ1leW5v2-mikuZDReObBa7Ig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwix867r9M_0AhWzQEEAHRTdDhc4ChDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=We%20have%2050%20million%20Muslims%20in%20Europe.%20There%20are%20signs%20that%20Allah%20will%20grant%20Islam%20victory%20in%20Europe%E2%80%94without%20swords%2C%20without%20guns%2C%20without%20conquest%E2%80%94will%20turn%20it%20into%20a%20Muslim%20continent%20within%20a%20few%20decades.&f=false

The phrase "Antisemitic" is linked. Canard is not, and perhaps could use one to Antisemitic canard? Or that link for the whole thing? For general reader, i.e. me? Thanks. 69.71.12.175 (talk) 18:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. That was a link to the wrong article. Thank you for noticing. Dimadick (talk) 05:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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