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Why is the link to 8chan / 8kun not included?

The current consensus of the Wikipedia community, as summed up by Compassionate727 in March 2021, is:

There is a consensus to exclude the 8chan website from the external links section. Most editors agree that our moral obligation to not facilitate access to a website notable for containing child pornography overrides any benefit to the project derived from giv[ing] the reader the opportunity to see what the subject says about itself (WP:ELOFFICIAL).

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8chan.co (talk · contribs) This user has not edited the article. This user has declared a connection. (Declaration)
FredrickBrennan (talk · contribs) This user has not edited the article. (WP:ORGNAME enforcement for 8chan.co)
Fredrick R. Brennan (talk · contribs) This user has not edited the article. This user has declared a connection. (Declaration)
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Category: AntiSemitism?

Why is this entry "Part of a series on Antisemitism"? It should also be "Part of a series on Islamophobia".

8kun is "Part of a series on Conspiracy Theories", or "Part of a series on child pornography". These are what it's best known for (due to QAnon). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 13:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A quick, lazy, ctrl F shows up two mentions of antisemitism and one of Islamophobia (the latter is unsourced). I see no issue with the antisemitism sidebar being there if this site is explicitly described as being antisemitic. — Czello 13:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's one mention of anti-semitism. How does this make it part of a series on anti-semitisim? There's far more mentions of shootings. Does one mention of one thing now dictate how we categorise articles? Mongoletsi (talk) 18:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe there is a sidebar for child pornography. There is a {{conspiracy theories}} navbox, but it seems to be intended primarily for use on articles about specific conspiracy theories rather than on websites known for hosting conspiracy theory content. The Islamophobia one could potentially be added if there is sourcing noting that 8chan is a prominent source of Islamophobia. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 17:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

8Chan is not a prominent source of anti-semitism. Why should it therefore be categorised as such? 8Chan is absolutely connected with child pornography. The article has many mentions of many shootings. Labelling the article as a piece on anti-semitism would be justified if there were a section named 'Anti Semitism'; which there isn't. There's one mention. Put simply, this article is not 'Part of a series on Antisemitism'. Mongoletsi (talk) 18:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If no productive talk continues here, I will submit this for resolution via Wikipedia:Third_opinion. Mongoletsi (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:25, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

8chan → 8kun – The article frequently calls the site 8kun, and "8kun" is the current name. —ÐW^(T·C) 00:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. The common name is 8chan. O.N.R. ^(talk) 00:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The common name is 8chan. I don't think we need to have this discussion again, so I will be happy if this snow closes.--Jorm (talk) 01:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. — Czello 06:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. They ended up with the rather weird name 8kun because none of the major domains wanted to have them after the mass shooting controversies. They probably don't like having 8kun, but they are stuck with it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 8chan is the most common name by far, and all plausible alternatives should be redirected here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

WP:COI WP:ER in re "Hotwheels"

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I must once again lodge my strong opposition to the inclusion of text which states as a fact that I ever used the alias "Hotwheels". The text I oppose I also emphasize below:

8chan was created in October 2013 by computer programmer Fredrick Brennan, then better known by his alias "Hotwheels".

This is cited to KnowYourMeme, which makes no reference to the fact and seems to serve to back up my foundation of 8chan, which I do not oppose as factual, and Daily Dot. Daily Dot does not state the fact either, rather quoting NY Mag, which, in the narration of a party scene, includes the text:

She placed the cake on a table in front of Frederick “Hotwheels” Brennan[.]

The quotation marks in this case are ambiguous and are not actively stating the source of the alias, therefore, there is no reliable source for the fact. My position has always been that this alias was given by 8chan's users, even in statements I made as early as 2014 and that that has never been a username of my choosing, as I told Ars Technica in 2015. I have lodged this opposition against reporters as well. My preferred replacement text is no text; failing that, an editor may explain the situation in more detail so that untrue information is not repeated. In line with Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, I declare that I have one and open this edit request therefore. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 23:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Jorm (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jorm: Wow, that was fast given the backlog, but I suppose a lot of people watch this page. Thank you〜(ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｻﾝQ Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 23:50, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! This was open and shut. Jorm (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bother you but this is once again relevant, please take a look at this thread[1] and if you agree with my assessment in it remove the name from Fredrick Brennan. Thanks! 🙏 Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 07:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jorm and GorillaWarfare: It would probably help if I ping, huh. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 17:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the change on that article but you should know that I have been on an extended Wikibreak. I will only see pings for things. Jorm (talk) 22:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had put back this nickname in good faith (without having seen this discussion) in the Fredrick Brennan page because we have this source among others, which states that Brennan used "Hotwheels" as an online handle and as a nom de plume. Given Brennan's penchant for edgy humor I saw no reason to doubt that he had used this alias himself: my bad. So I guess the Wired article is mistaken about this detail ?

Since this alias seems to be rather well known I think we could perhaps mention it in a contextualized manner, somewhere in the page about Brennan; however, in the light of this discussion, I agree that it's better not to mention it here, nor in the lead section of the Brennan page. Psychloppos (talk) 08:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Psychloppos: Wow, I never noticed that line in that article. Actually, The Daily Stormer wrote the headline, as is common in publications. Wired is assuming something that they have no way of knowing. I know the author well, I will ask for a very late amendment, I don't know if I can get it, but that's what happened here. Could also be part-WP:CITOGENESIS on their part. I challenge anyone to show me where I used the name hotwheels on an online account. The best, earliest sources, my interviews c. 2014, tell a different story. As do my WP:ABOUTSELF tweets clarifying, including the best one from 2014. I have no reason to lie about this, and have been fighting this problem for years. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 13:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Psiĥedelisto: This definitely looks like a case of WP:CITOGENESIS. It's typically the kind of thing that can mislead editors into thinking they have credible info. It would be great if Wired could correct their article, maybe specifying that while "Hotwheels" has stuck as a nickname it has never been used by the interested party. This would settle the matter in the Fredrick Brennan page. Psychloppos (talk) 14:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OR - and hear me out here - OR we could just chalk it up to a tiny detail that they got wrong and then just ignore it because the importance of this in the history of the universe is negligible and you have the PRIMARY telling you right here what the truth is, with enough evidence to back up the claim.

We could just drop the stick forever and let the man stop having anxiety about having to prove his identity. Jorm (talk) 17:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jorm: well of course; I don't even care that much about that little piece of trivia and I have no intention to put it back. I'm just annoyed to have been misled by some inaccurate info in an otherwise good source. What I mean is that if the Wired article were corrected, that would settle the matter and other editors wouldn't be misled in the future. So I just hope Brennan can get them to do it. Psychloppos (talk) 22:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Website link

Hi - I managed to find this website (currently @ https://8kun.top ) but don't see why it isn't linked in the article. There didn't appear to be anything obviously illegal about the content there. Can it please be added to the article. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.223.70 (talk) 04:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Top of the page: #Inclusion_of_the_link_to_8chan. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 05:04, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah; I, too, would like to know why 8kun's website isn't linked in the article. 4chan's '/pol/' board -- known for hosting similar content as 8kun -- has its website linked in its Wikipedia article. The same is true for 'The Daily Stormer'. Why is 8kun any different? SpicyMemes123 (talk) 23:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Current consensus, as linked by GorillaWarfare above (thread currently archived here), is against providing a link, so I've reverted your edit. Isabelle ^🔔 23:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding and reverting my edit. I must have glanced over GorillaWarfare's link; I had no idea that 8kun's administrators were so lackadaisical at removing child pornography or other items that will get you a visit from the FBI in short order. It isn't worth directly exposing curious people to a website that is more-or-less ambivalent about child porn. SpicyMemes123 (talk) 00:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or, rather, GorillaWarfare's link to the 8kun inclusion debate is broken. Yours isn't. SpicyMemes123 (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SpicyMemes123: I have both added a FAQ to the top of the page as it's the most common question from new editors, and also edited GorillaWarfare's link. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 01:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I have anything of substance to add to the 8kun page (or this discussion); however, I really appreciate you doing your due diligence as it appertains here. SpicyMemes123 (talk) 01:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link re-added since there is clearly nothing even remotely close to a consensus on this so WP:ELOFFICIAL rules. —suriv (talk) 23:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]