Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ravalcheny van Ommeren

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The result was delete. Per source analysis, where discussion trended strong delete afterwards. One subsequent source is possibly a press release and while the provider argues we should consider whether it is an agency report ONUS rather suggests that it is for them to make that case. In any event, per the source analysis that was persuasive of later voters, that would count as a single source and notbpass GNG Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ravalcheny van Ommeren

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – Found sources → [1][2]--MonFrontieres (talk) 16:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. First source above not independent. Giant Snowman 19:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - sufficient sourcing shown here to demonstrate notability. Article needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 21:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per Monfrontieres. @GiantSnowman: I found these sources whisch show she is notable in Suriname: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 among many other sources. In addition, she is a young international capped player with an ongoing career. I look at the other sports WikiProjects and they don't nearly have an article deleted per day, let alone 30. Article may need improvement, but definitely not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fails GNG. Match reports/international call ups are routine coverage. Source 4 is about an entirely different player. We're left with her having flight problems and that does not go to GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mentions in Match reports and international call-ups are routine, but extensive articles about a players call-up or play in a particular match aren't. Nfitz (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those are still routine coverage. Dougal18 (talk) 10:30, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 23:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, outside of the WP:ROUTINE coverage there only exists a brief bout of coverage concerning a single flight, leading to a WP:BLP1E failure. Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:28, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with some of these references provided - especially this and that. Nfitz (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's a match report which is routine coverage. The other is about her flight problems largely quoting from her mother. Dougal18 (talk) 10:30, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We routinely have articles for players that score hat-tricks in competitive international matches. I'm hard-pressed to find an example where we haven't! Also, "flight problems" is a gross oversimplification of an issue that resulted in missing international matches and a boycott. Nfitz (talk) 15:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. She didn't boycott the game against Antigua and Barbuda or miss any other games. Other players might have but that cannot give van Ommeren GNG/SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 13:12, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. But even you disagree with me, then check for other references. Here's a great 2020 one that no one has mentioned. Yes, it's because of transfer, but it's an 8-paragraph in-depth piece. Nfitz (talk) 00:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The Xerxesdzb.nl is blatantly non-independent N. I can't see the rest of the AD.nl ref beyond the intro (unless that's the whole thing?). Key News does not have any coverage of her that is not primary and non-independent N. SR Herald is routine non-significant match coverage N. Voetbal Rotterdam isn't even on the right person Facepalm. Vrouwen Voetbal Nieuws 1 is a lightly refactored press release N. VVN 2 is the best of the lot, but is basically a bulked-up transaction announcement N. Culturu has a trivial transactional mention N. Sport Nieuws just mentions her name N. JoelleJay (talk) 02:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 08:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I concur in User:JoelleJay's source analysis. Nothing approaching direct detailing of the subject by ANY presented source material. She's a junior player; perhaps one day she'll get coverage meeting RS. Nothing yet after three relists in Summer 2022. BusterD (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per JoelleJay and BusterD Andre🚐 05:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've added this in-depth piece. Nfitz (talk) 00:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's identical to VVN 2, which suggests it is actually a press release rather than independent article. JoelleJay (talk) 19:06, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Around here, when different newspaper and web-based media outlets (sometimes competitors!) have the same article, it's because it's from a press agency like Reuters, API, or CP. This in no way reads like a press release - do you have any source to support that? Nfitz (talk) 01:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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