Talk:2020s

Bad image choice in collage

We're only 2 years into the 2020s - 4 images is way too many to have in the collage already. Also, the images in the collage should generally only include events that span multiple years of the decade. COVID and Ukraine are good image choices. I think Afghanistan withdrawal and the George Floyd Protests should be removed, as they were single events that were no longer than a few months each. In the future, the mix of images should generally include some positive events and technological innovations too like past collages - the current mix is all "negative" events, which is an incorrect representation of reality. comment added by 2604:3d08:3686:9800:e58d:b3ce:a909:1c73 (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I could agree this one. That could be a questionable part. We don’t know what events should it be defined on each year. —2600:1010:B12A:AE74:30BE:A78E:1D4C:56E8 (talk) 20:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

1. That collage is customizable, pictures can be added and/or removed easily without having to make a new image in Commons. that means you can easily add big events easily from the decade as they happen.

2. you need a consensus first before removal and there's only one person saying removal, which is you, a random IP address, and we don't always trust random IP address as you can make a proxy to make it look like you're from a different location,

and 3. a customizable collage ain't that big of a deal, I will switch one of the images of the collage to show my point. 4me689 (talk) 22:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

here's my reasonings why the 2020's should get a collage early

1. the decade has so far been very dramatic with so many big events happening so far

2. it would make the article more unique

and 3. and it will make the article look nicer.

and now I wonder what @Jim Michael 2:, @Wjfox2005:, @TheScrubby:, and @InvadingInvader: think about this, there the main contributors of the main year artices. I also wonder what @KoopaDaQuick: think about this. 4me689 (talk) 16:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm leaning towards it being a good idea, but we'd have to keep it very limited (like 1 per year). I'd support it if others support it.

2020 would obviously be COVID, and 2022 would obviously be Ukraine (both would need their own talk page discussions to pick which photo would be the one on the collage), but 2021 is the big question. Unlike 2020 and 2022, there wasn't one single defining event already covered. My personal preference right now is is the January 6 US Capitol attack (or insurrection or whatever you want to call it), but we could also do Afghanistan, Myanmar, Sudan, or maybe even James Webb? Folding phones is just a bad idea anyways; there is stuff much more notable than that. Plus, Huawei and Samsung announced and publicly demonstrated folding phones before the pandemic. InvadingInvader (talk) 18:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

COVID vaccines and NFTs are two more 2021-specific things I say could work. Both are very controversial subjects, though, so idk KoopaDaQuick (talk) 18:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm iffy on NFTs. They rose quickly but fell quickly too. I think some sort of 2021 coup or coup attempt, like Myanmar or J6, would be better. InvadingInvader (talk) 19:01, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I did make replies on other posts, but the points you said are explanatory, I wonder that if it is needed on later eras of this decade. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 21:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

But now, we are in third year already. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:8D0D:93:9EB9:6D19 (talk) 01:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree with foldable smartphones being in the collage. While it would be nice to have something to represent technological advancement, they're not something that have caught on amongst the people I know, and even if they do they haven't really changed anything on a societal level. If we want to represent technological advancement in this decade I think it should be the rapid development of COVID vaccines. I don't think there's much point creating a collage so early into the decade. Other than COVID and the invasion of Ukraine it's hard to say what the most significant events will be. --82.38.192.41 (talk) 11:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

the foldable phones are more of a placeholder until something bigger happens, the collages meant to make it look better and make it look like more of a decade page. 4me689 (talk) 16:07, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, if the decade isn't over yet (not to mention barely even a quarter way through) then we shouldn't even have a collage. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 00:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree with this. As of right now its 2022 and almost 2023. We are not even halfway, even a quarter way through the decade yet and theres a collage. I get that the images can be replaced whenever, but we should at least wait unil 2025-2026, when the decade starts to seep in to add images. Leaf8613 (talk) 23:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I would agree that Covid-19, Ukraine and JJST are (for now) representative of the decade. Covid is likely to linger a little more, so is Ukraine, and JJST will likely give us some more interesting images for years to come. But I also agree that for now the other 2 images can stay as placeholders until something bigger happens, it doesn't hurt to keep them until then. (Perhaps one of them could be replaced with the change of royalty in the UK, but that could also be considered a short event.) Dhrm77 (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

What's JJST? Are you talking about the James Webb telescope (JWST)? InvadingInvader (talk) 19:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I am again expressing my feelings about the fact that we should not have an entire image collage for the decade at 2022 not even 2023 then. If you really want it up, the only things that deserve to be up their are Covid 19 and Ukraine. The rest are not worth defening an entire decade when we have 8 years left of it. Leaf8613 (talk) 03:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I can understand where you're coming from, but the 2020s are among the craziest decades in human history so far. At 2012 or 2013, I would have sided with you, but given a pandemic, an invasion in Europe, multiple coups, and a coup attempt in the world's most powerful country, as well as quite a few notable assassinations so far, we should probably get a collage in with at least a few of these events. We can always change it later if China invades Taiwan or something else big happens...actually it makes me wonder if anything bigger than COVID or Ukraine other than Taiwan will even happen ;) InvadingInvader (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@InvadingInvader Good point, but I think that 2027 should be one when many images of collage should be added to this article. If the collage should be included by the end of a decade for any other means, then a collage should mainly be necessary to be added to this article. If it is too early to be included, then we need to wait a few more years or until the decade finally comes to an end and a new decade comes. I think this is my idea I came up with. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 18:28, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

What we could do is create a "so-far" collage which gets updated as noteworthy events are added. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@InvadingInvader And how is it so far creating a collage with noteworthy events? Will it change as years pass in time? -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 19:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Precisely. As one event in the future happens and becomes more notable than an event on the collage, we replace it. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Agree, it is way too early to have an image collage on this article. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 03:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I disagree, as some events will clearly continue to be among the most important of the decade - especially the COVID-19 pandemic, the Russo-Ukrainian War & the end of the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021). Jim Michael 2 (talk) 17:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

collage images

this talk section is a section to talk about collage images, have any feedback. 4me689 (talk) 19:48, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I am personally not in favour of a collage, but if we need to have one, we should only include events that are at least likely to be considered memorable over a 10 years span. The death of Elizabeth II is a highly mediatised event that is going to have very little historical impact, also considering that UK is no longer the great power it used to be. The images on technological developments are also meh, but it is difficult to include this section of the collage so early in the decade. I would suggest to limit the number of images in the collage to what is really important: Covid-19 and Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fall of Kabul is sadly already forgotten 1 year later, but I guess it could stay there for the time being. Dadoso90 (talk) 05:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

And when you think it cannot get any worse, a picture about short-term US protests from 2 years ago pop ups... We should rename the collage: highights of the decade, according to US and UK users :D Dadoso90 (talk) 12:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Collage should be removed, it's way too early. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 03:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

We should remove the collage. It is way to early to think about summarizing the decade. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 23:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@BappleBusiness: and @Basil the Bat Lord: the 2020s ain't your normal decade, it's one of the most dramatic decades in human history. we have the biggest pandemic in 100 years, Europe's most deadliest war since WWII, one of the most important deaths in the 21st century, we have an attempted coup on the world's most powerful country, we have the end to the biggest war in the 21st century, not to mention other big coups, as well as a couple big assassination attempts. all these events could have been the biggest event in their decade if all said events did not take place in the 2020s. in my opinion collages of the best way to put pictures in the articles. @InvadingInvader: summed it up good in the last discussion. not trying to start an edit War. 4me689 (talk) 01:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I would argue that when you take any period of 10 years, you'll always find some crazy shit. Perhaps this time is crazier than usual, but it's hard to tell and determining that is extremely subjective.

I might be willing to have pictures if we leave it to the very most significant events. COVID is the biggest thing of the decade, that's fine to include. Wars are tricky, but including something about the Russian invasion of Ukraine might be acceptable, especially now that Russia is mobilizing and threatening using nukes. I'm unsure about the end of the War in Afghanistan, since it hasn't made any large worldwide impacts. Apart from if a future Franz Ferdinand situation happens, I think deaths should be off-limits, including Queen Elizabeth. It's sad she died, but the effect of her death on the world is low. James Webb could maybe be on there, but, again, I'm unsure if it has made the kinds of impacts needed to include it in a decade collage. BLM is big, but I would raise the question of if we are being too US-centric for including a primarily US social movement.

The big problem with developing a 2020s collage right now isn't that big events haven't happened yet, it's that it's simply too early to determine and weigh their impacts. And because Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball, I think it is better to not have a collage for now. (If we do keep a collage, can we please get some better images? These ones are bad.) ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 02:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@4me689: The perceived "craziness" of the decade is totally irrelevant to the issue. We're only two years into a ten year decade. It's just too early to be putting collages up on the published article. Speculating? Sure. But not publishing it. We have no idea what will or won't happen in the next 8 years. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 07:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

 Uncertainly, since this decade isn't finished yet and most of the events are from the early 2020s that can define a year rather than a decade, it is very unlikely that those images of collage are going to make it to the decade unless there is a agreement to this discussion. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and the feedback is much current. But there is more to see in later part of the decade rather than the early. Adding collage images would take time in finding one. I would suggest that construction of buildings and art painted recently to be added to the collage image, they are also considered the influence of the 2020s. By the way, thanks for creating the collage of it. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:59C3:33F1:3736:18CE (talk) 05:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

My feedback is most of these collage images look better if it is in each era such as mid and late 2020s. But essentially, this should be changed when we get to the end of this decade. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 21:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Since this is the third year, I believe that we should wait about 5 more years or when the decade ends, we should choose collages wisely as much of them only happens in a certain types of the era of the decade. One, like the pandemic, only happens at the early era of the decade. We should think on what collages are need to be included on this article. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:8D0D:93:9EB9:6D19 (talk) 01:26, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

There may be a positive feedback, but there are essential event in later era of this decade, should be included too. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:39D5:AE22:288A:67FD (talk) 18:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Any way we can resize the middle image in the top row of the collage (the George Floyd protests one) to make it fit better? I definitely think its inclusion has merit (it's the largest global protest movement of the decade so far, by far), I just think all the photos should be the same size, or extremely close to the same size, for the lead montage. Thanks. ~ Flyedit32 (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Can you verify that Black Lives Matter (specifically the George Floyd protests) was the largest global protest movement of the 2020s in the world? I would think that isn't such an easy assumption, given the size of other protest movements so far this decade. One that comes to mind is the 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest, with the general strike in November 2020 having possibly up to 250 million people participate (although that figure is dubious). How about the protests right now in Iran? Remember that this is a worldwide encyclopedia. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 05:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I was more referring to the scale of protests worldwide connected to the death of George Floyd, not so much the specific number of people who protested. See this article and notice the number of other countries around the world where protests were held: List of George Floyd protests outside the United States. In contrast, the Indian farmers' protests took place only in India, "With minor small scale protests seen in countries such as US, UK, Canada and New Zealand", while the George Floyd protests "took place in over 60 countries and on all seven continents". That all being said, the protests you mention above should absolutely be added to the lead text for their obvious relevance and notability (which I just did). Thanks. ~ Flyedit32 (talk) 20:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

It is not only a matter of scale. The pictures in the collage should represent pivotal moments in contemporary history. Any major protests in the US obviously have global outreach. As such, they generate similar movements all over the world, even though most of them are pale imitations that wither in a matter of weeks or months. Other US movements such as Occupy or MeToo had similar global outreach (NB: none of them was included in previous collages, and rightly so).

The question is not how many people attended these protests or their global recognition, but whether these protests are a pivotal point in the history of the decade. Covid-19 and Russia-Ukraine war are arguably the most important pivotal moments so far, while the fall of Kabul was pivotal for the region, and also in the US domestic debate, but it's broader importance still has to be determined.

Race discrimination has been a prominent feature of the US political debate for many decades, so anti-racism protests could technically be included in most collages. However, while the 1960s were definitely a pivotal point in this regard, I am not sure we can really say the same regarding the most recent developments.

Obviously, the death of Queen Elizabeth does not belong here either. The emotion around her passing has not managed the rescue the Tories, let alone have any global impact, apart from tabloidish hype. Also, there is a long established policy of avoding collage references to specific individuals unless it's really necessary.

NB: the final collage will have about 8 pictures. If 2-3 of them are dedicated to scientific, technological or socio-economic developments, we are left with 5-6 pictures for major events. Covid-19 and Ukraine-Russia are likely to take 2 of these spots, so we are left with 3-4 spots for events occurring in the next 7 years.... Dadoso90 (talk) 07:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

COVID, Afghanistan & Ukraine should stay long-term. BLM/Floyd, Elizabeth II, the January 6 attack & the Indian protests aren't important enough. The Iranian protests aren't important enough yet. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 17:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Agree with User:Dadoso90 - The people pressing hardest for a collage are its creators. Deb (talk) 09:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure how the death of Queen Elizabeth II, would not be considered important enough to be included. I would argue other than COVID 19, her death has been one of the most seismic events of this decade. Most of the world's population was born during her reign and her impact on 70 years of world history was enormous. I think this also demonstrated by the fact the pretty much every world leader with a few exceptions attended her funeral and her funeral has been reported to be the most watched television event ever in history. Just because Britain is no longer an Empire does not demonstrate that the Queen's influence and popularity was diminished. Jjfun3695 (talk) 13:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that QE2 is probably the most significant death in a few decades, likely since the death of Pope John Paul II. We don't have the pope's death in the lead of the 2000s article. Both figures died natural deaths (ie weren't assassinated) and largely expected given their age. Article leads for decades should be reserved for major developments in politics, war, technology, science or cover major disasters and tragedies ie earthquakes and assassinations, etc. PaulRKil (talk) 13:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

No Infobox?

Is there any reason why the infobox for this page, as well as every other decade page, was removed? Individual years still have them so why don’t the decades? Zedonathin2020 (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Uhm

The 2020s so far have been pretty depressing, it should be known as the Conflicted Decade. Especially with COVID, detioration of relations between nations, nuclear threats and more. Hsija (talk) 03:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey. Drop the negativity. We've got nearly seven years to go yet. It could turn out delightful. More seriously, we write what reliable sources say, not what individual editors think. HiLo48 (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be negative, but I am a part of Wikipedia as well and I believe all users should have a say in things, Hsija (talk) 03:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

"it should be known as the Conflicted Decade." Based on which source? We can not coin our own terms. And can you think of any decade which is devoid of conflict? Dimadick (talk) 12:51, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree with you that this should be called "conflicted decade." Even they are crazy events, it shouldn't be called that. If so, then there should be links or source to cite with. Plus, perfection isn't required at all. 204.129.232.191 (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)