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so many thing wrong about this article

This item doesn't require such a long article.
poor copyediting. looks like everything was copy pasted from news article
why does the article have 'The' in the title
The words sengol is a Tamil word used for sceptre since antiquity. not just this one particular one.

ChandlerMinh (talk) 12:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Sengol is the Tamil term for the right sceptre (as opposed to the cruel sceptre is called the Kodungol) as described in ancient Tamil moral treatises, such as the Kural. It symbolizes a ruler's right way of ruling. This article is about a metal staff that represented the symbolic transfer of power during Indian Independence. Rasnaboy (talk) 05:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think so. Let's hear others opinions. Kautilyapundit (talk) 12:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"""The words sengol is a Tamil word used for sceptre since antiquity. not just this one particular one."""

Second this. This topic is not article worthy. If this sceptre has a unique name it should be moved to a subsection of the parliament page. Else it belongs in the 'Sceptre' article. SubtleChuckle (talk) 16:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

title

I have changed the title from The Sengol to Sengol (sceptre) as per WP:TITLE ChandlerMinh (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fact check

Sengol | Evidence thin on government’s claims about the sceptre ChandlerMinh (talk) 05:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Hindu newspaper is allegedly criticized for its leftist leanings aftermath the takeover by N Ram. So, it is better to provide references from other valid resources as well to provide a neutral point of view. Bsskchaitanya (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The newspaper merely points out to the lack of solid historical sources pre-2023. This has nothing to do with the editor's political leanings. SubtleChuckle (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

not pure gold

the gold used in this about 800 grams. which won't be enough to make a full 5 feet long sceptre. inside is silver. ChandlerMinh (talk) 07:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any source pls? Kautilyapundit (talk) 12:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus

Hello editors, @Rahil1610: @Bsskchaitanya: @Lawofoctaves: @TheAafi: @Parimaltek: @Rasnaboy: @Arasksk:@GhostInTheMachine: @Hedgeunkil: @Onel5969: @খাঁ শুভেন্দু: please reach a consensus and kindly don't indulge in mindlessly reverting and changing the content of the page. the page should be neutral and should address both side's arguments. please follow all WP guidelines. ChandlerMinh (talk) 09:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ChandlerMinh ofcourse. i agree. i edit with sources and i support neutral view Rahil1610 (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not mention me unnecessarily. I have not edited this page except for removing an "orphan" tag. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ChandlerMinh Wikipedia should not be a place of political debates. We are here to add content from various resources. Recently, I have added a photo from an archive of then leading Telugu paper. Every Telugu scholar with basic knowledge about Andhra history knows the authenticity of that era Telugu newspapers such as Andhra Patrika, Krishna Patrika and Golconda Patrika. For your information, during that time Andhra Patrika was taking of Indian National Congress and in a way critical of then opposition parties such as Justice party and Communist Party of India. This newspaper played major role in spreading the Gandhiji's ideals and seeds of Indian nationalism through the Telugu areas of Madras presidency and was established by an Congressman, a great patriot, Sri Kasinadhuni Nageswara Rao garu. So, I suppose there is no need to doubt the authenticity from this source. Bsskchaitanya (talk) 13:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please ensure that you do not make a logical fallacy when using the talk pages. (argumentum ad verecundiam) SubtleChuckle (talk) 16:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sengol and Tamils

Sengol has been a symbol of power and righteousness rule of Tamil kings especially Chozhas. So, sengol is a general object representing a king's rule in historic period and the sengol presented to Nehru is just another Sengol. So, this article sengol must be representing about the general values of sengol rather than the specific Sengol of nehru and this page should not be deleted.... Vishwa Sundar (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

> this article sengol must be representing about the general values of sengol

You are looking for Sceptre. Sceptres (Sengol) have been widely used outside the Indian subcontinent, therefore it would be appropriate for the article to be merged with Sceptre. SubtleChuckle (talk) 16:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]