Talk:Aisha

The Age of Ayesha was 16-18 and not 6 or 9

It has been researched by some Islamic scholars and they've come to the conclusion that, the real age might have been mistakenly changed through the long chain of amendments and updates to the previous books. Considering she was offered in marriage because Prophet Muhammad already had 6 to 7 year old children at home, giving in marriage another 6 year old wouldn't be something even slightly wise to do. Also considering the age of Aeysha's sister was 100 at her death and 77 at hijrat so comparing doesnt bring Ayesha's age to 6 or 9. 72.255.3.181 (talk) 13:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The argument from her sister's age has been debunked. Chamaemelum (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

(Ibn Hajar) mentions in (Al-Isabah) that (Fatima) was born in the year the Kaaba was built, and the Prophet was 35 years old, and that she was older than Aisha by (5) years, and according to this narration that (Ibn Hajar) mentioned, although it is not a strong narration, but assuming its strength, we find that (Ibn Hajar), who is the commentator of (Bukhari), implicitly denies the narration of (Bukhari), because if ( Fatimah was born and the Prophet was at the age of (35) years, this means that (Aisha) was born when the Prophet was (40) years old, which is the beginning of the revelation to him, which means that the age of (Aisha) at the time of migration was equal to the number of years of the Islamic call in Mecca, which is (13) years, not (9) years, and this narration was mentioned only to demonstrate the severe confusion in the narration of Al-Bukhari. 145.255.120.188 (talk) 09:35, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Please elaborate. The argument that of 6-9 years is also debunked. Who debunked what depends on which sources you take your information from. What gives you the right to accept only one theory over another? EddyJawed (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Ayesha was around 18 years old when she got married to prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him)

I don’t trust Wikipedia!!! They don’t even check the credible source!!! You should update your information!!! 95.147.21.41 (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Yep at this point, many Muslim scholars have agreed to the view that Aisha was at least 18, alas dont expect wikipedia to show this. Some just want to show prejudiced and skewed view of history. Wikipedia is no different than conservapedia. 39.41.202.254 (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Several reliable narrations, collected by Islamic scholars such as Bukhari, Muslim, and Abu Dawud, disagree.

According to Sahih Bukhari (5:58:236; 7:62:64), Sahih Muslim (8:3310; 8:3311), and Sunan Abu Dawud (2116), Aisha herself narrated that she was married to Prophet Muhammad when she was six or seven years old and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. Moreover, these texts state that Aisha remained with Muhammad for nine years until his death.

Historian Al-Tabari also corroborates this timeline in his writings (Vol. 9, pp. 128, 131; Vol. 7, pp. 6-7; Vol. 39, pp. 171-173). He provides detailed accounts of Aisha's age at marriage and consummation, firmly placing her at six or seven years at marriage and nine years at consummation. He also states that Aisha was eighteen years old when Muhammad died.

Furthermore, Sahih Bukhari (6:60:399; 5:58:245; 3:37:494) records Aisha's remembrance of being a young girl at the time of the early revelations given to Muhammad in Mecca. Aisha's remembrances of her early childhood experiences and the assertion that she always saw her parents following Islam offer additional evidence against the proposition that she was 18 or 19 at the time of her marriage.

Then there are other hadiths talking about her playing with toys/menstruation/etc. Note that if you base her age off of very old people's ages, you get a wide variety of different ages for Aisha. Not a reliable method. "100" is just a nice round number; usually we do not know the exact ages of old people. Chamaemelum (talk) 01:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2023

Aisha, the third wife of prophet Muhammad (SAW) was 18 years when her marriage was consummated not 9. The information on this article is deliberately misleading and wrong. Please help make corrections. Thanks. Anike.sm (talk) 14:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

After thorough analysis, one comes to a conclusion that issue of Aisha's age at the time of her marriage is far from settled as the sources used in the article section are primarily religious texts with questionable credibility, making the information purely theoretical. It would be prudent to present a balanced view that encompasses the various opinions and interpretations. Something like the inclusion of a sentence "According to certain contemporary Muslim authors who consider additional sources, such as a hadith comparing Aisha's age to her sister Asma's, it is estimated that Aisha was likely older than thirteen and possibly between eighteen to nineteen years old when she got married." 39.41.235.94 (talk) 19:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes exactly you are absolutely right. Unfortunately we are all aware of Wikipedia politically/religious biased moderators real motivations behind why they won’t even allow the very credible Hadith stating Aisha’s age of 19 based on Asma’s age of 27.

If Wiki moderators insist on one viewpoint no matter how inaccurate or uncomfortable, at least allow the other viewpoint of later ages. Why are they not even getting a mention? EddyJawed (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sam Sailor 16:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Its already mentioned above about the inclusion of ""According to certain contemporary Muslim authors who consider additional sources, such as a info comparing Aisha's age to her sister Asma's, it is estimated that Aisha was likely older than thirteen and possibly between eighteen to nineteen years old when she got married." line.

Or this could be suitable "According to select contemporary Muslim authors who explore supplementary sources, including a hadith comparing Aisha's age to her sister Asma's, a nuanced perspective emerges, suggesting that Aisha's age at the time of her marriage might have been higher than traditionally assumed, potentially ranging between eighteen to nineteen years old."

The current info is one-sided and needs further examination and revision. 39.41.160.186 (talk) 13:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Again,  Not done. Exactly where do you propose to put this?

The article already devotes a couple of paragraphs to the different estimates of her age, and what you wrote above creates a huge contradiction with a source already cited (citation #105 at the time I am writing this) that says Aisha was eighteen when Muhammad died.

You have not explained what is "deliberately misleading and wrong". You need a better justification to introduce contradictions than what you have provided so far. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Well a note preceding the source(citation #105) says "This is the generally accepted date, although the actual date of death is not known for certain." It certainly, in my opinion, inform readers about the contradictions.

It becomes relevant to present alternative viewpoints supported by select contemporary Muslim authors who reference supplementary sources

The issue seems to me is that the couple of paragraphs to the different estimates of her age which you were talking about above, hmm well, they suffer from vagueness and lack clarity for the average reader. Despite the expansion into five paragraphs, I believe the information could be conveyed more precisely and effectively, potentially even within just three or four paragraphs. Also Iam not advocating to present view of her being 18 or 19 an indisputable fact. 39.41.160.186 (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I thought I was the only one wanting this. Thank you for replying and explaining it better to this Wiki moderator. I guess it seems we all understand what you are asking him to do in the article but he doesn’t EddyJawed (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add insert of Aisha was 19 from alternate viewpoint/Hadiths. People have a right to know!

Wikipedia is proving again as usual to be biased and non credible when they purposely only state one viewpoint but not the alternatives. Everyone knows how contentious this topic is for Muslims. This is why the article is deliberately locked out and the young age is being enforced deliberately misguiding the public.

The age of 6-9yrs is only coming from certain Bukhari and his student ‘Muslim’ Hadith’s.

Alternative sources give a very solid example of Aishas age being 16-19 all linked to another wife Asma’s age of 27 at the time.

Why has the article purposely been locked and written as if 6-9yrs was absolute fact?

Most with knowledge about Islam are aware that Hadith are generally inaccurate anyway due to the dubious way they were compiled 200 years after Mohammeds death. Also had Mohammed married Aisha at such a young age he would be defying his own Quran (4:6) which supports marriage at the age of maturity and mutual consent of both partners!

Please change this article and be more truthful. People who are newly researching Islam are being misguided by the article written in a mischievous way to suggest the infant age of marriage was an absolute fact - it isn’t!

Wikipedia is being used as a trusted source and it’s time it was brought under scrutiny. I’m seeing this deliberate mischief for years and moderators need to be fair. EddyJawed (talk) 17:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)