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On 6 April 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine to War crimes and crimes against humanity in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Can someone change "an Ukrainian" to "a Ukrainian", please. Jenny Jankel (talk) 23:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Prolog (talk) 10:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Information added elsewhere

An IP editor has added some information about Russian war crimes - castrations - at the eponymous Castration article, in this edit: [1]. I expect editors on this page are better able to evaluate that information than me. I'd be grateful if an editor here could glance over that edit to make sure it is in line with any discussions you have had here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Long Introduction Section

This article is good. Kudos to editors

The Introduction seems long and gets into both chronological and categorical types of war crimes.

If no objections I am going to try and tighten it up and reflect the text structure of the article overall. Jgmac1106 (talk) 16:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is HRMMU United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine a primary source?

Many claims use United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine reports. Do people consider these primary sources that would violate independent research bias?

This would mean they should be replaced with secondary sources that cite the report.

Or do editors feel they are acceptable? Jgmac1106 (talk) 16:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think they are mostly fine. They straddle the boundary between primary and secondary sources. To the extent that they are on the ground and report what they see, they can be considered a primary source. On the other hand, they also interview many other people, analyse and synthethise their accounts, making them a secondary source. Anyway, primary sources are not forbidden on Wikipedia (WP:PRIMARY). Do you have specific concerns about their reports? Alaexis_¿question? 19:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, but each article sometimes has it's own way to straddle depending on the context. Just wanted to make sure we had consensus as editors.

I kept all the information and sources. Just rearranged the text structure to organize it by specific War Crimes as the ICC would define by the Geneva Convention. Jgmac1106 (talk) 14:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can immediately say that the use of the materials of the speeches of the Ukrainian politician L.Denisova as a source casts strong doubt on the reliability of all the materials used. Denisova was accused of "of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes and spending too much time in Western Europe during the invasion" Saidel, Peter (31 May 2022). "Ukraine's Parliament Dismisses Human-Rights Chief". Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 31 May 2022.. She was subsequently dismissed from the position of Ombudsman for Human Rights in Ukraine. 178.155.64.26 (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]