Talk:Yandere Simulator

Controversy: inappropriate discussions with a minor

A recent controversy has to do with the developer having inappropriate conversations with a minor, 16-year old fan.

This has been discussed by the developer, the fan, and also some YouTube and TikTok folks (but I’m not on social media so I don’t have links).

The developer and fan admitted that the conversations were inappropriate (even if there wasn’t any grooming) so it’s probably appropriate to use stronger wording than “allegations.” Albeit the social media reports seem more dramatic than how it was described in primary sources (e.g. who sent the first messages). 2601:642:C400:FCF0:998E:F61B:9FD6:5C43 (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Secondary reliable sourcing is required for controversial information like this. Discussion of this topic runs dangerously close to Wikipedia privacy policies that would require the information taken down. Unless someone is replying with a reliable secondary source covering this, the topic should not be discussed further here. Unfortunately, despite numerous attempts by people who follow this project to insert controversies and allegations against the developer, no reliable secondary sourcing has ever surfaced. This simply violates our WP:BLP policy unless such sources are found. Blogs, social media, reddit, are not reliable. -- ferret (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

This is correct. Additionally, said reliable 2nd/3rd party sourcing should tie such information into the game itself as well, as this isn't an article about the developer, it's an article about a video game. Sergecross73 msg me 13:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Secondary sources include: "Yandere Simulator Developer Admits To Grooming Allegations" and "What Happened to Yandere Dev?".

I don't know about the history of this page and what other edits folks wanted to push. However, this controversy is relevant because it is delaying the game's development significantly. Many staff left and contractors are requesting that their assets are game. From the first of those articles, "The Yandere Simulator developer allegations as well as the Voice Actress leaving resulted in several other members of Yandere Simulator team quitting the project as well." From the second article, "Looks like Yandere Simulator is set to take even longer from here." It would fit in the "Development" section of this wikipedia page. And Yandere Dev, himself, mentioned in his Apology post that this controversy will affect development and release time of the game.

TLDR; this is relevant to the video game because its a huge setback for development and a release date. 71.204.141.86 (talk) 06:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Imagine implying Yandere Simulator will ever release. Uh, I mean, those sources are probably not reliable enough (but they may be, I just haven't heard of them before). LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 06:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

No, these sources are not reliable. GamerBraves was found unreliable by WP:VG/S and Distractify is apparently WP:USERG / self-published with a currently active discussion at WP:RSN. -- ferret (talk) 12:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it's impossible, but it'd be fairly difficult to implement information about YandereDev's controversies into an article about Yandere Simulator. The closest I can get with a 2nd/3rd-party source within sourcing guidelines (that I'm aware of) is "Yandere Simulator Devs And Voice Actors Quit Following Grooming Allegations Against Creator", and even then, I'm not sure if it's truly a good one to use (primarily because it and every other article I've seen so far doesn't bring up something like the game's nonexistent release date, or really anything blatantly intertwined with the game itself). Another problem would be that it's either putting controversies about YD into the YS article or making a page exclusively for the former, which would be fairly clunky and require even more sources. Zormego (talk) 06:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, there's also the fact that the your “news article“ you linked to pretty much states that the whole allegation was a hoax Trade (talk) 13:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on September 27, 2023

Due to the changes made by ferret, the current flow of the controversy section feels empty and doesnt feel right. I would change it to read as follows:

Throughout the development of Yandere Simulator, the game has been subject to controversy. An example of which is fans concerns over how long development of the game has taken.

Twitch ban

In 2016, the game was added to a list of banned explicit games by the streaming service Twitch. In a statement made to Kotaku, YandereDev blamed "self-righteous ideologies" for the ban.

Obviously, adding sources where necessary. We have the sources to back up the first sentence with respect to the articles about the twitch ban and long development times. And with this format, it can be expanded later if more primary sources become available LordEnma8 (talk) 01:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:CSECTION actually recommends we avoid having a criticism section at all unless unavoidable. There's really so little to say here with currently available sourcing. The section should probably just be renamed to "Reception" at this time or merged into Development entirely. it can be expanded later if more primary sources become available - No, it can't. Primary sources aren't suitable for this kind of thing. -- ferret (talk) 01:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, what i should've said was reliable secondary sources, sorry i wasnt specific enough for you LordEnma8 (talk) 04:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced content

Citation number 11 doesn't mention anything about the release of new builds, so that's why I initially removed it, as well as for its flow, but obviously, it's flow was not the sole reason for removal, since even it the article mentioned debug builds, it still failed verification LordEnma8 (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done - removed by ferret. Sergecross73 msg me 18:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Add Category:Temecula California

The developer of the game lives in my town, and the game was originally developed here, so it should be added. 2600:1012:B163:91F1:CD31:4B8F:8B8B:F7C0 (talk) 01:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

We don't categorize video game development below the national level. The article is appropriately in Category:Video games developed in the United States. -- ferret (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request on September 29, 2023

Remove the current mention of fan concern over the long development and replace it with a new one in its own section, as follows:

Yandere Simulator is developed by YandereDev, a freelance game developer identified as Alex and based in Temecula, California. He first pitched the idea on He first pitched the idea on 4chan in 2014, and after receiving positive feedback, decided to begin development.

In 2016, the game was added to the list of banned games by the streaming service Twitch. In a statement made to Kotaku, YandereDev blamed "self-righteous ideologies" for the ban.

On March 1, 2017, YandereDev announced a partnership with tinyBuild that would help him polish, promote, and publish the game. On June 10, 2018, YandereDev announced that the partnership ended with the company in December 2017.

Fans have voiced concerns over the extensive 9 year development process of the game.

Why? Please explain why this change is needed or is proper.

This would not only improve the flow of the article, but would also give direct mention to the exact development time, which the article previously lacked. LordEnma8 (talk) 02:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

The source currently in place covers 2014-2017, so they're about the general length of development at that time. Do you have a source to back making this statement about the "9 year development" process? This needs a new source. -- ferret (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I didnt think i needed a source for the date on the calendar, but if it's really an issue, you can just strike the 9 year part and add it without mention of the exact length of development LordEnma8 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not to source that it's been in development for 9 years, but that fans have been complaining for 9 years. -- ferret (talk) 23:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Phrase moved as requested to the end. -- ferret (talk) 23:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing

I'm going to try and find good/better sourcing than what's in the article. See my comments at the AfD for a better explanation, but basically my concern is that a lot of the sourcing is trivial or borderline trivial. When I created this I was honestly expecting that more, better sourcing would come about to fill the (many) issues with the sourcing I used when creating the article. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

• So far it's repeating the same issues, specifically that the sourcing either summarizes a primary source (or another article) or only mentions the game in passing as with this source. This seems good, but it's an undergraduate degree and still kind of in passing. It doesn't help that both are more about the drama surrounding the game. I'd like to avoid relying on sourcing like that since it could pose some issues as far as BLP goes (even though this isn't a bio of a living person).

This is definitely better, as it's a PhD dissertation that extensively mentions YS. The game is not the focus of the dissertation and is mentioned as an example, but the doctoral student does comment upon the game, including some of the issues people had with the content. This is a good step in the right direction. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

That would be appreciated. One of the article's primarily maintainers is currently WP:PBLOCKed from editing the article, largely in part due to their continued mishandling of sourcing issues, so I imagine there's plenty of room for improvement possible if we get some more experienced editors knowledgeable about our sourcing standards on the job. Sergecross73 msg me 15:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked through wikipedia policy, and i still don't see where it says that removing sourced content for things like their flow is prohibited. It is discouraged, but never prohibited.. LordEnma8 (talk) 18:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

"One of the article's primarily maintainers is currently WP:PBLOCKed from editing the article, largely in part due to their continued mishandling of sourcing issues" Mind letting us others in to as to what happened? Trade (talk) 18:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I was blocked because one of my edit summaries didn't properly state what I was doing, and because another one of my edits removed content that i believed could've been better placed elsewhere, but apparently that isn't allowed. which in a later edit request is exactly what I did. Mentioning my block in a completely different conversation is extremely rude and disrespectful. LordEnma8 (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

LordEmma has repeatedly been caught violating WP:PRIMARY and excessively using primary sources, removing properly sourced content on invalid grounds, using misleading edit summaries, and just generally making edits that need to be cleaned up. That said, ferret has been pretty good on addressing and cleaning up these sorts of issues. But the fact remains that there hasn't been anyone dedicated to finding and adding good quality sourcing and commentary until ReaderofthePack's efforts today. Reader, you're finding good stuff, thank you. Sergecross73 msg me 18:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked through wikipedia policy, and i still don't see where it says that removing sourced content for things like their flow is prohibited. It is discouraged, but never prohibited LordEnma8 (talk) 18:53, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Even if things were exactly as you say (they're not) do you really not see the issue with making two "discouraged" edits directly after receiving a final warning about not making "discouraged" edits? Sergecross73 msg me 19:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Could you tell me where in Wikipedia policy where removing sourced content that doesnt fit with the article is prohibited? Since apparently i cant find it LordEnma8 (talk) 19:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

This is not the place to relitigate your block. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

You're the one who mentioned me LordEnma8 (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, I was giving background information about how/why this article could use an experienced editor like ReaderofthePack to research and find better sourcing and commentary. There hasn't been much of that in the time I've had this article on my watchlist. Sergecross73 msg me 19:35, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

YandereDev

I think YandereDev deserves an article more than the game. Info about the game could be in a section in his article, but it does not quite have enough information for documentation, whereas YandereDev does. Aquaticsans (talk) 10:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

There's already people discussing this article's fate at a different location, so you ought to raise your arguments there at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yandere Simulator (2nd nomination). Sergecross73 msg me 13:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)