Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Global Day of Jihad

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The result was DELETE. RickinBaltimore (talk) 11:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)‎[reply]

Global Day of Jihad

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Despite the rumors that got some news coverage, as far as I can tell nothing actually happened yesterday in connection with this. Older version of the article had a list of things that happened on the day but no confirmed connections to the call to action. Seems to pretty clearly fail WP:EVENTCRIT. I can't see this having a lasting impact or getting any further coverage. Laurel Wreath of Victors ‖ Speak 💬 ‖ 18:48, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The only part of this article that meets the notability guidelines is the attack on the diplomat in Beijing, but since that was only one attack, that could be included on main article for 2023 Israel–Hamas war - it doesn't warrant having its own separate article from the main one. Panian513 19:38, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I am reminded of the idea that Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. This line from the WP:DELAY policy is also apt: "Anticipation of notability may be mistaken. Many events portrayed by the media as major on the day they occur quickly become only a footnote." The limited amount of properly sourced material in the article would be better addressed as a smaller part of a larger topic. JArthur1984 (talk) 19:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A global day of jihad did not happen. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 20:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete This is essentially a hoax that Wikipedia is now propagating. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Arras school stabbing where the call by Hamas for a "global day of rage" has been linked to the stabbing by at least one cited source. Alternatively, redirect to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Too many people have contributed to an commented on the article for it to be deleted. WP:MERGEDELETE, Wikipedia:Attribution, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:COATRACK. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, should have been a short paragraph in 2023 Israel–Hamas war instead. NM 21:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per nomination and other comments in here. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (especially after expansion by Mistamystery) or merge into 2023 Israel–Hamas war and Protests on the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Overwhelming amounts of coverage, for instance:

Global Knife Attack Frenzy as Hamas ‘Day of Rage’ Unfolds (Daily Beast)

Rumors of a ‘Global Day of Jihad’ Have Unleashed a Dangerous Wave of Disinformation (Wired)

Hamas 'Day of Rage' protests break out in Middle East and beyond (ABC)

Hamas’ ‘Day of Rage’ draws heightened security in major American cities, attention from the FBI (Fox)

D.C. area boosts security on Friday after call for Hamas ‘day of rage’ (Washington Post)

France bans pro-Palestinian protests amid call for Hamas ‘day of rage’ (Washington Post)

etc etc etc Loksmythe (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If there’s an effort to keep, encourage all to expand this article.

Weak Keep This definitely was an event, regardless of how many attacks happened.

Also needing attention is specifically the discrepancy the call to action and the varying responses (and how it connects to differing interpretations and misinterpretations of the term “jihad” Mistamystery (talk) 22:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – not a single criterion of WP:NEWSEVENT has been met, even remotely. Nothing to merge, either. — kashmīrī ^TALK 22:44, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete currently fails WP:EVENTCRIT all in all with WP:DELAY in mind I say it's best to delete and if the event becomes notable and appears in the scientific literature the article might be recreated with things to say --Bari' bin Farangi (talk) 23:11, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The only thing connecting this article is a statement, one attack possibly caused by it, and another unrelated attack. It can easily be a paragraph in the main article. Jebiguess (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into 2023 Israel–Hamas war § Reactions and/or Arras school stabbing. No indication of that this is distinct and notable event compared to the many declarations and threats issued by terrorist groups in the past, which were also covered extensively by the news at the time, and which we by and large do not grant individual articles. Although many places made preparations, the same can be said for the responses to other declarations. While the French attack was clearly linked to the war in general, there is no hard proof AFAIK that it was inspired by the call for a "Global Day of Jihad" in particular, and even if it did, it already has its own article where this can be discussed and linked to the main article on the war. ― novov (t c) 01:54, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 02:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Support closing at this moment. Consensus is obvious at the moment. Acebulf ^{(talk | contribs)} 03:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Plenty of hoaxes and false flags related to the situation in Palestine are going around and this is just one of those. It doesn't warrant having its own article. - Ïvana (talk) 03:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Moral panics that never come to fruition don't necessitate a Wikipedia page. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk)
Merge into 2023 Israel–Hamas war and Arras school stabbing per above. Despite those concerning calls for worldwide violence, only two (very small) attacks came out of it that day. Less of a phenomenon per se, and more of a whimper that can just be mentioned in the relevant articles. Corgi Stays (talk) 22:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, and I hope people stop rushing to create articles that fail WP:NEVENT. DFlhb (talk) 10:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
DFlhb, this is an endemic problem, and there's an ongoing discussion about fixing it here. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Saw it 10 days ago; I'm still not sure on the best way to frame that proposal DFlhb (talk) 02:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is not even relevant. Hamas former leader never called for global terrorist attacks.

As reported from Wired, "Meshaal called for protests on October 13 across the Arab world in support of the Palestinians before adding: “To all scholars who teach jihad ... to all who teach and learn, this is a moment for the application [of theories]. While Meshaal very specifically made the calls for protests in “the Arab and Islamic worlds,” his comments were quickly mistranslated online to become a “global day of jihad,” a phrase he did not use."

Source: https://www.wired.com/story/day-of-jihad-disinformation-israel-palestine/

So it is just fake news.

Also, the attacker in France was already on the watchlist over his Islamic extremist belifs, which appears to be the motive behind the stabbing. It has nothing to do with the ongoing war. Gianluigi02 (talk), 16 October 2023

Well, that's just interesting... Corgi Stays (talk) 01:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. People heard about the Hamas declaring this, but nothing significant other than a lot synagogues were protected. This can probably just be a single sentence in the timeline article: Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2023. Conyo14 (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, Jebiguess summarizes it well, as well as Gianluigi02's note that it was a mistranslation. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Arras school stabbing. I don't see Mashaal's call as having a direct impact on the war in Gaza. Clarinetguy097 (talk) 17:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, telephone-game confusion. – SJ + 20:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into 2023 Israel–Hamas war#Reactions. There seems to be a disturbing level of denial by Palestinians and their supporters regarding atrocities and acts of violence carried out by Hamas, despite overwhelming evidence of these atrocities. The latest call for a global day of jihad is no exception. This may not apply to a specific day or some massive wave of terrorist attacks, but the fact that there are people advocating such a wave of jihadist attacks should not be ignored or dismissed. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 23:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are people calling for attacks all the time, this is not challenged. The discussion is about having a Wikipedia article dedicated to a call that seemingly did not even take place. — kashmīrī ^TALK 07:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. According to the Wired article, this is a mistranslation turbo-charged by misinformation and paranoia. At best we have some misguided security increases and isolated incidents that are not yet definitely connected to this "call" as opposed to a general rise in tensions because of the situation in Gaza. The only thing that is definitively linked to this is Killing of Wadea Al-Fayoume, where a conservative was allegedly so scared of this non-event that he killed a kid. Fails WP:NEVENT as currently written and it is a WP:BLP issue to even say that this call was even made given what the Wired article says. Maybe when there are more retrospective pieces done on this incident in the future there can be an article, but the sources as they stand now don't merit an article. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, and soon, since consensus has now been reached and this article is simply totally wrong in it's current form, regardless of whether or not the two attacks listed had the non existent concept in their mind. MarkiPoli (talk) 11:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that with the added context of there never being an actual call for a "Global Day of Jihad" as described in the rumors this article is now essentially perpetuating a hoax. Any content about the response to these comments can be merged into 2023 Israel–Hamas war and the rest should be deleted as soon as possible as it is irresponsible to legitimize the notion of that there ever was such a thing as a Hamas-endorsed "Global Day of Jihad." Laurel Wreath of Victors ‖ Speak 💬 ‖ 00:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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