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Magnific article, hope no one delete it it deserves to be published at the Wikipedia, main Page User:Miguel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.62.146.244 (talk) 20:02, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is hardly "magnific". The main reason for Smith's notoriety, the retaliation campaign on Samar, isn't even discussed in detail and the article body skips right to the court-martials of Smith and Waller. That has now been addressed. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 01:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1895 vs. 1865

I've reverted this edit as WP:OR. I haven't seen the source cited in support of the 1865 figure as it is not available online, but see the Lay Summary at Books, LLC (September 2010). American People of the Spanish-American War: Jacob H. Smith, George E. Cryer, Juan Alamia, R. A. Torrey, William J. Simmons, Philip Fox. General Books LLC. ISBN 9781156739549. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Characterization of the march across Samar

This edit caught my eye. Here, I reverted the change to the characterization of the march across Samar to "A sustained and widespread massacre of Filipino civilians followed." back to the earlier characterization saying, "A march through the island followed.", saying The unsupported change seems unwarranted in view of clarification in the next paragraph. That next paragraph echoes a similar paragraph in the March across Samar article except for the omission of the closing sentence there which says, "The rate of Samar's population growth slowed as refugees fled from Samar to Leyte,^[1] yet still the population of Samar increased by 21,456 during the war. A great loss of life is not supported..^[2]"

The Littleton Waller article indicates that Waller commanded a battalion of 315 Marines, 60 of whom participated in the march. According to the March across Samar article, the march began on December 28, 1901 and ended sometime prior to 26 February 1902 after encountering great difficulties during the march. This is pretty thin research compared to the no doubt more extensive research done by the historians who put the figure of civilians killed at 50,000 but, to me anyhow, it seems that the characterization of the march as "sustained and widespread massacre of Filipino civilian" is a bit of a reach without solid support. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:42, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fair. I wound up reverting the third edit by that IP after I noticed that the first two were in error. Looks like I was overly exuberant. Thanks for the catch! (Checked again) oh, actually there were two IPs involved. Looks like I'm doubly in error. Jlevi (talk) 22:50, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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^ US Senate Committee Hearings "Affairs in the Philippine Islands" Feb 3, 1902, Vol 3, page 2341
^ Bulletin of the American Historical Collection, April–June 2004, Volume XXXII, page 65

An issue with the lede section

I want to open up a discussion on the lede, where it says "a U.S. Army officer notorious for ordering indiscriminate retaliation on the island of Samar". It seems kind of weak to put in "indiscriminate relaliation", because it's really just a euphemism for a massacre. Any thoughts? Professor Penguino (talk) 21:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Smith is notorious specifically for his orders to Waller but, as I understand it, his misconduct involved his overall conduct of operations on Samar. Here, I've WP:BOLDly reworded part of the lead to try to indicate that. Perhaps a better wordsmith can improve this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Wtmitchell. You have definitely improved the section. Sincerely, Fellow Wikipedian, Professor Penguino (talk) 04:25, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[US_Senate_Hearings-1] US Senate Committee Hearings "Affairs in the Philippine Islands" Feb 3, 1902, Vol 3, page 2341

[AmHistCollection-2] Bulletin of the American Historical Collection, April–June 2004, Volume XXXII, page 65

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