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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the appearance of Ash Lynx, the main character in the manga Banana Fish, is based on tennis player Stefan Edberg and actor River Phoenix?

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The image resolution is very bad. Could someone upload a better version? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Yaoi

Good afternoon. As far as I know, although the work has a definite yaoi-bait and an ambiguous image of the relationship between the two males, neither the work nor the author himself has ever given any assessment to this. Therefore, I wanted to ask, are we really able to add the yaoi tag here only based on several reviews? Perhaps it would be better to describe this in the reaction section of the critics? Solaire the knight (talk) 10:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

UPD. As I was told, neither the original shoujo magazine nor the American company not deals with BL works, which makes it even more confusing. Solaire the knight (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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EditorWarrior (talk) 11:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please change the genre "yaoi" into "shonen ai"

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Banana Fish should not have a yaoi tag. This series does not contain any of the standard BL qualities or traits aside from one kiss that was quite frankly plot related. This will cause many to over look this amazing series all because of a misplaced tag. GoddessKiya28 (talk) 13:24, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dolotta (talk) 19:55, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This may be confusing to some in that Banana Fish is considered influential on the Boy's Love genre and was praised by Fred Schodt for its positive depiction of gay relationships. There definitely is a relationship between Eiji and Ash, but it is essentially nonsexual, something like a platonic romance, soulmates, best friends. They spend part of the manga sleeping in a room with two single beds, side by side with a nightlamp between them. The sensuality in this manga is in Ash teaching Eiji how to shoot a gun, or Ash and Eiji's friendly, teasing, couple-like dialogue. They don't really talk About Love, or about being gay (though the manga is aware of the existence of homosexuality, and makes a brief reference to gay marriage). I won't spoil whether they kiss.

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As it turned out, in fact, there is no need for "opposing" sources, because already mentioned sources obviously do not contain such tag, ANN directly writes that although this work is considered "influential" among gay-related manga, it doesn't depict the relationship between characters except as platonic, and the third source only once says that the manga is "close to yaoi" because of intimate relationships that "look like suppressed homosexuality". Thus, both sources mention that there is a certain content in the manga, but none of them defines it as yaoi, which makes the tagging an original research. Solaire the knight (talk) 08:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

about this

i think this anime is not gay so.. 212.15.85.162 (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 03:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing this article. It looks like to be in a nice state so I'm pretty sure it will pass. I'll ping you once I notice any issue or something.Tintor2 (talk) 03:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"()" are not recommended as far as I recall.
- I've used bracketed glosses to describe terms that would be unfamiliar to a general audience (shōjo manga, yaoi, etc) in basically every anime/manga article I've ever written and it's never been an issue.
The intro to the series' reception is put in the middle rather than in the bottom. I would include in the bottom of the lead since it's the last section from the article.
- Done.
"making it one of the earliest manga series to reach a wide audience in the United States." This seems part of reception that could be moved to that paragraph.
- I feel like the text flows better discussed next to the section on the English language release, plus the second graf of the lead is already pretty long.

Plot

"Ash was a former enforcer and child sex slave to Golzine, having been groomed from a young age to become the eventual heir to his criminal empire." remember fiction is always written in present tense so it would be "Ash is a former enforcer and child sex slave to Golzine,"
- Clarified.

Characters

Since there is already an article for the characters and this section repeats information from the plot I suggest moving the link to plot like ((see also List of Banana Fish characters))
- Done.

Context

Same as before "Shōjo manga (Japanese girls' comics)" For an easier introduction to the section it could go as ""Manga aimed towards Japanese girls, Shōjo," Same with shonen-ai. Maybe the first paragraph could be toned down a bit since it doesn't feel too much like Yoshida content unless it could be rearranged to start with Yoshida's links to previous shojo manga.
- In many places that just turns the sentence into a massive run-on, so I've just preserved the glosses as-is. Part of the significance of Banana Fish was that it subverted many of the typical codes of shojo manga, so I think the article needs to devote some space to explaining what those conventions are to a lay reader. I've moved the third paragraph of the section down to "Development" per your suggestion, so I think the Context section reads a lot easier now.
The third paragraph feels more like an analysis too rather than how Yoshida decided to create the manga. Maybe move it somewhere else?
- Moved to Development.

Development

Minor but I'm pretty sure there is a free pic of Stefan Edberg (it kinda seems there is material to give Ash his own article)
- All the free pics are of middle-aged Edberg, which I don't think is especially relevant to the section. Ideally the section would include an image of Edberg in his youth when his resemblance to Ash was much more obvious, but there is no licensable image. And I agree that there's probably enough material to give Ash his own article, but fictional character articles just aren't really my area of interest, so perhaps another editor might pick it up. (Would be weird if Ash got his own article before Gilbert Cocteau, who is by a wide margin the more famous/influential blonde pretty boy male-male romance manga protagonist, though.)

Gender

The explanation of what is a bishonen could be toned down too.
- Done.
The rest seems fine. In reception there is another link to boys though.
- Removed.
I'm not sure if a brief mention to the anime is needed in reception so I leave it up to you to decide.
- The sources are pretty lacking (there's a THEM Anime review that's basically just a plot summary, and ANN did episode-by-episode reviews that are too granular for this article's purpose) so I didn't include any.

@Morgan695: This is all. Just solve these issues and I'll gladly pass it.Tintor2 (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work. Don't feel any pressure. Ping me when there is no other issue. About anime reception I often placed it but there wasn't too much with other adaptation other than X (TV series) since such series took quite a different route from the original manga.Tintor2 (talk) 23:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2:, Hi, response above. Morgan695 (talk) 23:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Homosexuality and homoerotica

I have made some changes to the article after reading the relevant sections, as the phrase "homosexuality and homoerotica" seems somewhat tautological when even the thematic section describes it as a homoerotic relationship without a directly attested nature, which provokes discussion about its nature among critics. I also put in "according to Christie Parte" as her statement about the chastity and asexuality of shoujo manga seems rather odd to me, especially at a time when overly passionate or even taboo themes were quite common in girl manga. This manga is obviously homoerotic and the author has explicitly admitted to wanting to write it as something like a male Class S, so I'm not even trying to "dispute" the LGBTQ nature of this manga or anime. It's just that this wording has been an eyesore to me for a long time. Solaire the knight (talk) 13:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]