Talk:Cider Riot
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About the owner...
[edit]- https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/09/cider-riot-owner-among-portland-timbers-fans-banned-for-waving-antifa-symbol.html
- https://www.wweek.com/sports/2019/09/07/after-fan-bans-timbers-army-posts-defiant-banners-in-protest-but-keeps-on-cheering/
- https://www.kgw.com/article/sports/soccer/timbers/timbers-fans-banned-over-anti-fascist-signs/283-f7fc2e2d-72f2-468f-99eb-4dbd14d697f6
---Another Believer (Talk) 14:19, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Sources
[edit]---Another Believer (Talk) 14:19, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
---Another Believer (Talk) 10:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Closing Nov. 10
[edit]- https://www.oregonlive.com/beer/2019/11/portlands-cider-riot-bar-to-close-nov-10.html
- https://www.wweek.com/news/2019/11/01/northeast-portlands-antifascist-cidery-cider-riot-is-closing/
---Another Believer (Talk) 17:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
How much detail re: SUV incident?
[edit]How much detail should be included about the SUV incident? This is an article about the Cider Riot business, after all. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Llywrch: Any thoughts? I recall us briefly discussing this article in the past, perhaps on one of our user talk pages. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Since you asked... I definitely wouldn't add more detail. While I'll admit that I'm suspicious that an antifa activist was killed near Cider Riot -- could miscreants be targeting this business? -- no one has proven any solid connection between the two. Then again, if another attack on an antifa activist happens nearby IMHO it doesn't violate WP:NOR to mention that one, & let the reader draw their own conclusion. -- llywrch (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Llywrch, Thanks. So are you comfortable with the current text or should some details be removed? I'm not sure how his "aliases" or alma mater are relevant. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Another Believer, I almost wrote that I thought there might be too much attention to this death, but after all it is a single paragraph of average size. I'll leave it to you to decide. -- llywrch (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- The deceased's aliases are entirely irrelevant to the article, IMHO. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Grand'mere Eugene, I agree. I've removed one sentence, and do share if you have any other thoughts on the rest of the paragraph. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:02, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Another Believer, The first two sentences and the sentence on Willamette Week's report tell pretty much the relevant facts for an encyclopedia. The rest qualifies as WP:UNDUE, unless the bar owner is a suspect. Again, in my opinion. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Grand'mere Eugene, Thanks. I've trimmed a bit more. Open to others' edits as well. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Another Believer, The first two sentences and the sentence on Willamette Week's report tell pretty much the relevant facts for an encyclopedia. The rest qualifies as WP:UNDUE, unless the bar owner is a suspect. Again, in my opinion. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Grand'mere Eugene, I agree. I've removed one sentence, and do share if you have any other thoughts on the rest of the paragraph. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:02, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- The deceased's aliases are entirely irrelevant to the article, IMHO. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Another Believer, I almost wrote that I thought there might be too much attention to this death, but after all it is a single paragraph of average size. I'll leave it to you to decide. -- llywrch (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Llywrch, Thanks. So are you comfortable with the current text or should some details be removed? I'm not sure how his "aliases" or alma mater are relevant. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Since you asked... I definitely wouldn't add more detail. While I'll admit that I'm suspicious that an antifa activist was killed near Cider Riot -- could miscreants be targeting this business? -- no one has proven any solid connection between the two. Then again, if another attack on an antifa activist happens nearby IMHO it doesn't violate WP:NOR to mention that one, & let the reader draw their own conclusion. -- llywrch (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Status
[edit]@Cedar777: Thanks for your work on this page. Any interest in nominating the article for Good article status? ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:19, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Additional sources
[edit]- The Oregonian September 7, 2019: Cider Riot owner among Portland Timbers fans banned for waving antifa symbol
- The Intercept March 3, 2021: Life and Death of an Anti-Fascist: Why Did Police Never Solve the Murder of a Prominent Portland Anti-Fascist?
Potential sources to include in the article. Cedar777 (talk) 21:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Courthouse News February 26, 2021: Judge Rejects Far Right Leader’s Claims of ‘Political Persecution’ [1]
+1 Cedar777 (talk) 15:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- The Oregonian May 21, 2021: Suspect pleads guilty to assaulting woman during May 2019 riot outside NE Portland bar
- KOIN May 23, 2021: Man pleads guilty to charges from 2019 Cider Riot brawl
+2 Cedar777 (talk) 14:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Reminder
[edit]Reminder to search for any coverage of a food menu to expand on the cider house description, and possibly add to Category:Defunct restaurants in Portland, Oregon? ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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