Talk:Bokura no Kazoku

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Did you know... that the 2005 video game Bokura no Kazoku was inspired in part by the birth of its creator's first child?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the developers of the 2005 video game Bokura no Kazoku took approximately 25,000 reference photos over the course of two years for use in creating the game's environment? Source: 1
- ALT1: ... that the 2005 video game Bokura no Kazoku was inspired in part by the birth of its creator's first child? Source: "Boy of Summer: The Life and Times of Kaz Ayabe", Scroll
- ALT2: ... that many of the locations in the 2005 simulation game Bokura no Kazoku are real-life locations that exist in Koenji, Tokyo? Source: 1

- Reviewed: Elena (Street Fighter)

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bokura no Kazoku; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - I have some issues with the use of one source. See below comments.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - See comments.
Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done yet
Overall: I just have some questions about the use of this source for the hook and throughout the article. This is WP:ABOUTSELF as it is published by the company about the game. We either need to find other sources for this or write the text differently to show this is a claim they are making. Once this and the QPQ are sorted it should be good to go. Well done! Vladimir.copic (talk) 03:16, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vladimir.copic: QPQ has been completed. Crunk Games states that the developers used "reams of photographs", but I could not find an alternate source specifically substantiating the 25,000 figure. I've posted alt hooks if the Sony source is not acceptable. Morgan695 (talk) 15:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy with ALT1 as its source is ok. I'm still a little bit uncomfortable with how much information in the article is sourced to the game's own website. Are there other sources you can use? Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vladimir.copic: Sadly, not really. It's a Japan-exclusive game from nearly two decades ago that was a critical and commercial flop, so sourcing is pretty limited. Morgan695 (talk) 02:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's disappointing. I'm not completely comfortable with the sourcing so I'm going to see if another reviewer can take a look and correct me if I'm overreacting. Sorry for being a stickler. Vladimir.copic (talk) 03:07, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed to give second opinion on the sourcing. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Passing ALT1. There are 20 separate citations in the body, of which five are from the original web site. That does not seem to be too many for a game at first glance. At second glance, those usages are mostly unproblematic - using the game site to cite gameplay elements seems perfectly fine (like quoting a manual for details), as does the author's statement that it's a sequel to their own game (who would be a better ref for that?). The only use that is not backed up elsewhere is the statement that it used 25,000 photos and sounds from location scouting. I'm rather inclined to call these non-controversial and the "reams" in a second source is close enough for comfort. For the reasons noted above, I would also have some reticence to using it for the hook, but ALT1 doesn't, and I strongly prefer ALT1 for hookiness anyway. GTG. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]