Talk:SS Vernon

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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Vernon

* ... that the wreck of the freighter Vernon (pictured) is one of the deadliest ever to have occurred in Wisconsin? Two Rivers monument honors lives lost in one of Wisconsin’s deadliest shipwrecks

• • ALT1:... that when the freighter Vernon (pictured) sank on Lake Michigan in 1887, only one person on board survived? Just 1 survivor in 1887 shipwreck near Two Rivers

• Reviewed: Bru McCoy
• Comment: Work in progress. Article completed.

Created/expanded by GreatLakesShips (talk). Nominated by GreatLakesShips (talk) at 00:02, 28 December 2020 (UTC).

• Under review. MB 21:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• New enough, long enough, well cited - no other policy issues. QPQ done. I tweaked the hook to make it flow better. The hook is good, cited in the article, and verified in the source. On second thought, the source that says it was "one of the deadliest" also says the death toll was 48 while other sources are as low as 36. Any idea if 36 would still put make "one of the deadliest", which I would interpret as in the top three. Can you find another source to back up the "deadliest" claim, like a list of Wisconsin shipwrecks. Otherwise, we should probably go with a different hook.
• MB 21:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• @MB: The reason behind the discrepancy in the numbers is that the passenger manifests weren't accurately kept. Multiple numbers are given, anywhere between 36 and 50. Unfortunately, I am unable to find a source to back up the "deadliest" claim. As far as I can work out, there are only a handful of shipwrecks that are deadlier that the Vernon (e.g. SS Phoenix (1845), PS Niagara and SS Milwaukee). I don't know how much that counts, but if there is no source, I would definitely go for the ALT1 hook. GreatLakesShips (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Although the hook had a source, I think it needs a better source. It was "hookier" that ALT1, which is why I was trying to "salvage" (no pun intended) it. ALT1 doesn't flow very well either. I've modified it into ALT2 which states the same facts, and is stated in the article and source. with ALT2. MB 22:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that there was only one survivor in the 1887 sinking of the Vernon (pictured) on Lake Michigan?

• @MB: Thanks very much. I have struck off the lead hook to help out the prep builder. GreatLakesShips (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:SS Vernon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 10:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• It would be far more useful to link "freighter" than "American".
• " on October 29, 1887 near Two Rivers, Wisconsin with" commas after 1887 and Wisconsin.
• I'm surprised by the order of the lead. I would imagine I'd learn a bit about its service before I learnt about its demise.
• " of Detroit, Michigan. She was sold to Pridgeon as compensation" -> " of Detroit, Michigan, to whom she was sold as compensation"
• Consider linking barge.
• And "charter".
• Probably only needs three paras in the lead for an article of this size, maximum.
• "Official number 161557" what is that?
• "spared no expense" not enyclopedic.
• " lounge. She cost" looks like these two sentences need to be merged.
• I would add inflation to that figure too so we know what it means in the context of 2021.
• What's a "draft" in this context?
• "when compared narrow beam," I literally don't understand this.
• " August 29, 1886 near " comma after year.
• "in the Duluth - Port Arthur, Ontario" I'd expect an unspaced en-dash here.
• What are " scow barges "?
• " to Pridgeon on July 22, 1887, as Pridgeon " repetitive.
• "; she was" -> "and was"
• "Chicago, Illinois for Cheboygan, Michigan on" commas after the states.
• "October 20, 1887 under" comma aftere 1887.
• 3:00 AM --> 3:00 a.m. etc.
• " Leeland, Michigan at" comma after Michigan.
• "Vernon proceeded to leave Frankfort," -> "Vernon left Frankfort,"
• Don't think you need to link common words like "potato".
• " and general merchandise"->" and other general merchandise"
• "she stopped at"->"where she stopped".
• "The high death toll" no need for "high", that's self-evident.
• "November 7" year?
• In "Vernon today" section, Milwaukee and Two Rivers overlinked (twice).
• Ref 10 should be pp. 7–8
• Ref 23 should be pp. 10–11
• Spaced hyphens in the sources should be spaced en-dashes per MOS.

That's it on a first review, so it's on hold. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: All done. GreatLakesShips (talk) 14:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• You missed several aspects but I addressed them. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:39, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: Sorry. Thank you for fixing them. GreatLakesShips (talk) 16:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• Ok, promoted. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:42, 6 March 2021 (UTC)