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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 98.164.1.101 (talk) at 07:41, 20 February 2024 (→‎What is 2024 status of Fox News lawsuit?: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

I removed two sentences because they were not supported by sources and rather than reword them, I note that the sources themselves do not meet our standards for sources so I simply removed the sentences. I explained my rationale more completely in the table above — see item 17.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Smartmatic origins and role in the recall election in Venezuela. Pages 58-59: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Threat_Closer_to_Home/ndgoy_h3taIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22venezuelan+government+to+found+a+company+named+smartmatic%22&pg=PT75&printsec=frontcover Topcat777 (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like there were similar rumors floating around in 2006 about Smartmatic and Venezuela, so I think we need to be extremely careful in validating our sourcing. Another potentially relevant source: NY Times article from 2006 GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

United States: 2020 Elections

the following was found in a previous, reverted, edit: ==== 2020 Elections ====

Alleged to be part of election fraud during USA 2020 elections - via Smartmatic / Sctyl / Dominion Voting Systems.

here's a source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-attorney-sidney-powell-says-they-are-fixing-to-overturn-the-results-of-the-election-in-several-states

Can we get this thing back in the article, ASAP? 173.14.238.113 (talk) 00:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not without an actual reliable source. See WP:RSP#Washington Examiner: there is consensus that it should not be used to substantiate exceptional claims. Furthermore, the source is just repeating what a Trump attorney has alleged, not making the statement themselves. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have another: http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/check-the-code-dominion-voting-system-tied-to-hugo-chavez-voter-fraud-used-in-2020-swing-states/ 173.14.238.113 (talk) 00:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to start a discussion at WP:RSN to determine that the Cape Charles Mirror is a reliable source, be my guest, but from what I can tell that is a small newspaper whose reliability hasn't ever been discussed among Wikipedia editors. I would recommend finding a source from the list of green publications at WP:RSP. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And finally we have one from a "green" source, the New York Intelligencer: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/trumps-dominion-vote-fraud-election-conspiracy-theory-crazy.html 173.14.238.113 (talk) 13:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This has been added by another editor: Smartmatic#2020 elections GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This entire section is misleading. It has not been confirmed to be a hoax. Investigations are pending and court trials have yet to rule on these matters. The media being cited is not reliable as a source. The contents of this section are not trustworthy and appear to be malicious. Make appropriate edits to it to accurately reflect truth rather than sentiment. Any future donation contributions of mine are contingent on Wikipedia maintaining an unbiased credibility. This section is quite obviously biased as it now stands. 11/20/2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.93.177.132 (talk) 03:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to challenge the general reliability of sources like The Associated Press and The New York Times, that's a topic for the reliable sources noticeboard, because there is longstanding consensus among Wikipedia editors that those sources are generally reliable: WP:RSP. As for the donation comment, editors maintain Wikipedia articles according to Wikipedia policy, not the promise of (or threat to withhold) donation money to the Wikimedia Foundation. GorillaWarfare (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AP as source

Secobi, AP is a fully reliable source. Please restore it. BTW, I mistyped with "assertions," I meant "statements"

I understand your position, and it's validity, but your response was to a faux pas of mine, however moot it may have been, which is why I corrected it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smartmatic&diff=989784881&oldid=989783044 soibangla (talk) 00:47, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, Secobi, you have breached WP:3RR. GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you're mistaken in terms of miscounting, but thank you for the notification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Secobi (talk • contribs) 04:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 21 November 2020

There seems to be no reference or quote for who or what this "panagroup" was except for a very small mention in annotation [4] from Smartmatic's retrieved page. There is evidence that the group existed in the way back so maybe it can be added as a second annotation given that since the article's neutrality (as @ 21/11/2020) is going to be thoroughly implicated in conspiracism, it may now be received as some sort of shadowy corporation as opposed to being an engineering firm founded back in 1977 specialising in security systems and electronics.


</ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20080705104423/http://www.panagroup.com/Panagroup/historia.html<ref>


Autotrot (talk) 08:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to Sequoia's transfer/sale from Smartmatic to Dominion

Given that the section (2020 elections) referring to allegations by Trump's legal team mentions that Smartmatic did not provide software or hardware to Dominion, it seems appropriate to also mention that Smartmatic did own Sequoia, did work on integrating and updating Sequoia's software and hardware while they owned Sequoia, and then did divest from that company, which was later purchased by Dominion. It seems misleading to repeat Smartmatic's assertion that they did not provide software or hardware to Dominion when in fact they owned a company, later purchased by Dominion, that provided Dominion with software and hardware worked on by Smartmatic. http://www.truth-out.org/canadian-firm-buys-dieboldpremier-and-sequoia-voting-machine-companies60645 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.166.69 (talk) 03:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Venezuelan Election Tampering

It seems like this article should also mention Smartmatic's own admission of their vulnerability to tampering, which they confirm did occur in the 2017 election in Venezuela: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElQYXIc9pfo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.166.69 (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Venezuelan connection" section

@Arminden: Can you elaborate on your revert and edit summary here? "...not. See my edit summary, now also the talk-page. Thanks." I'm not seeing anything from you on this talk page, what am I supposed to be looking at? GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GorillaWarfare, hi. Wait a minute! It's coming. Arminden (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GorillaWarfare Now: one edit summary was "Who are the owners as such is of no interest; the Venezuelan connection is, as the elephant in the room are the allegations that the Socialist gov't of Vnz influenced the 2020 US elections." That is what will attract the most people to this page for a long time to come: Trump & Giuliani -> Dominion Voting Systems -> Smartmatic. So the 2020 US elections are the issue, and if you mean that, yes, I agree, this should be visibly connected to that paragraph. I have rearranged the material a bit: the 2006 Chicago elections under USA, the alleged obfuscation of Venezuelan ownership as you correctly suggested under Venezuela, the 3 affected countries in a chronological order (Venezuela issues are starting in 2004, US in 2006 [and are the main focus of interest, let's be honest], Philippines in 2010), and placed a short intro in USA paragraph with a note that relevant & connected material can be found in the Controversy#Venez. paragraph. OK with you? Arminden (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thank you. I was mostly confused that we had a "Venezuela" heading and then a "Venezuelan connection" header at the same level. Now that that's addressed it seems fine to me. GorillaWarfare (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GorillaWarfare:You were right, thank you too. Arminden (talk) 22:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is 2024 status of Fox News lawsuit?

Anyone that is familiar with the Fox news lawsuit? Please add recent status news to this article. Here is news from January 25, 2024. 98.164.1.101 (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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